On Mon, May 02, 2022 at 01:22:33PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote:
>     > How about cert renewal, did you folks discuss if this would ever be 
> something
>     > pledges would want to do through the proxy ? In the case of ACP we did
> 
> Nope, never. Just like in BRSKI.

Just for the fun of it i just registered service-name est-coaps against RFC9148 
with IANA
yesterday, like Jack registered "est" against RFC7030 a decade afterwards. That 
should/could
then be used for constrained networks to use any working (*grin*) discovery for 
automatic cert 
renewal, which to me is equally important to bootstrap. See for example RFC8994 
for SRV.est
for how ACP defines to do this with EST/RFC7030 (via GRASP).

A lot more disappointed that RFC9148 didn't care about DNS-SD discovery than 
back when
RFC7030 was written, but i guess they probably think their CoAP group 
communications discovery
is better.  Except that neither one works for L3 networks multicast IMHO (i am 
getting no
response to that request i sent meaning at least nobody knows or cares), and 
COAP
does not provide unicast discovery like DNS-SD from all i know.

I really wonder how networks using RFC9148 intend to automate renewal, even 
absent
automated secure bootstrap. I bet there is not going to be any interop 
requirements
anyhow, and vendors are just hacking in some well-known DNS name for
EST servers (est-server.<domain>) and ultimately do rely on unicast DNS. 

Oh well...

Toerless

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