Hi there:

I think the whole notion about we are managing the internet though the policy 
are not correct.

We are not managing the internet, we are book keeping really.

Denis, your argument standing on a group that if we do not manage the internet, 
the gov will step in and do it for us, but that is largely untrue.

The Gov are managing it now as we speak, they have something called law to 
enforce things, they really don't need bother to go though policy here to block 
content they dislike, bust people they think are bad, find people are 
responsible, if there is a seriou crime going on, with or without abuse-c, gov 
will find them or not---abuse c does not change the outcome.

Take China for example,  500 m user can not access Facebook, tell me they go 
though any sort of APNIC policy to do that, same goes for some countries in 
Middle East.

So my last point is. If you like their gov job, you can apply one, don't try to 
push community here to do gov's job.
Lu

Sorry, but I totally disagree with you.

If you run a network you are responsible for making resources available on the 
internet. That is a responsibility.
If you don’t want to deal with abuse complaints then you’ll find a lot of other 
network operators will start either blocking your network or blocking traffic 
to / from certain ports or via particular protocols.

The serious crime argument is total rubbish. What we all see on a daily basis 
is abuse of various types covering the full scope of “nasty” behaviour.

As for governments – just look what’s being going on in multiple jurisdictions. 
If industry doesn’t act responsibly we will be forced to and governments do a 
terrible job of handling internet related issues.

Regards

Michele


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