On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 20:24:11 +0530 Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't work for gmail fyi (as a quick google search will tell you, > or a Bing if you hate google so much) and I don't use sorbs either, > not since the late 2000s anyway. > > Without seeing a smtp txn with logging all the way up or a tcpdump I > am not sure what is going on but a read error probably means you're > dropping the smtp connection right after the 5xx without giving gmail > the time to gracefully QUIT the smtp session. Or vice versa > No. This is a gmail bounce to a gmail customer (for example my own gmail account) nothing to do with @ox.co.za - except that @ox.co.za sends: JunkMail rejected - is in an RBL, see Client host blocked using Barracuda Reputation, see http://www.barracudanetworks.com/reputation/?r=1 etc etc. so, when Gmail cannot deliver to @ox.co.za - because of dnsbl (whether it is SORBS, SpamCop, SpamID.net or whomever, Gmail does not tell the customer that the mail is being returned because just a minute earlier google tried to drop 1000 phish on ox.co.za - instead tells the customer: "read error" technical failure -- it is not a technical failure at all! - it is simply that google is sp[amming (or being used by their users to distribute spyware/phish or whatever) and it is NOT A technical read error at all! > --srs > > > On 14-Apr-2016, at 8:05 PM, an...@ox.co.za wrote: > > > > On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 19:51:27 +0530 > > Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.li...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> This isn't quite mailop but anyway - what specifically do you mean > >> by replace here? > > Yes, but is is an abuse wok group - it is important that the group > > also discusses abuse, more so if their is abusive behavior from a > > huge multinational. > > > >> Do you strip mime parts that you consider spam or malware and > >> replace them with a suitable message? And is the gmail mta not > >> reacting well to that? > >> > >> Examples would be interesting - certainly much more interesting > >> than a vague rant. > > Not a vague rant at all - the original post already contains the > > information. Gmail is behaving poorly/abusively. > > > > maybe you require me to add additional information? - as there is > > ZERO chance that you do not know what I am complaining about... > > > > I do wonder why you are not simply replying honestly and openly? > > > > ... Gmail customer sends email from Gmail to @ox.co.za > > > > ox.co.za responds: Listed at SORBS Currently sending SPAM! > > > > Gmail sends "improved" bounce report to Gmail customer: > > > > example: > > > >> Date: 14 April 2016 at 14:09:39 SAST > >> To: custo...@gmail.com > >> > >> Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: > >> > >> an...@ox.co.za > >> > >> Technical details of permanent failure: > >> read error: generic::failed_precondition: read error (0): error > >> > >> ----- Original message ----- > > > > > >> --srs > > > > andre > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> On 14-Apr-2016, at 7:17 PM, an...@ox.co.za wrote: > >>> > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>> Incase anyone receives weird NON RFC bounces, from @gmail.com > >>> customers saying: > >>> > >>> Technical details of permanent failure: > >>> read error: generic::failed_precondition: read error (0): error > >>> > >>> What this means is: > >>> > >>> Google Inc does REPLACE the "Blocked for abuse / spam /scams / > >>> phish / virus / spyware messages from the various filters > >>> > >>> and sens a cryptic non RFC message to their users implying that > >>> the receivers email server is broken in some way.... > >>> > >>> This is truly EVIL of Google to do... > >>> > >>> As they, Google are the ones sending PHISH / VIRUS/ SCAMS / SPAM! > >>> > >>> Example: @209.85.218.43 > >>> > >>> http://www.scammed.by/scam.php?id=185816 > >>> > >>> > >>> Instead of SOLVING the abuse - Google chooses to send CRYPTIC > >>> technical failure messages... > >>> > >>> Because they are a monopoly and they are simply just too large to > >>> care?? > >>> > >>> Yes, of course! > >>> > >>> Andre > >
