On Tue, 3 Jan 2017 23:05:07 -0800 David Conrad <d...@virtualized.org> wrote: > Andre, > On Jan 3, 2017, at 10:43 PM, ox <an...@ox.co.za> wrote: > >> On Jan 3, 2017, at 9:57 PM, ox <an...@ox.co.za> wrote: > >>> When respected Internet Engineers and organizations develop > >>> standards for Internet software that completely ignores ethics, > >>> morality, honesty and is pale and anemic in the truth department? > >> > >> You've developed quite the messianic complex here. > >> > > You do not say why this is not true. or not factual. or not correct. > > Because empirically, Internet Engineers (whoever they may be) and > organizations document protocols and bit patterns expressed across > wires. These protocols are tools that are neutral in terms of ethics, > morality, and honesty. How those tools are used and by whom is what > results in whether that are ethical, moral, or honest. You are > blaming the tool for the (presumed) failings of it users. > However, in this context, you presume to know The Truth. Such > certainty must be quite reassuring. >
Your comments in your entire reply, is the same. Let me place your own argument, in context, for yourself: Your argument is that someone making a nuclear weapon is not responsible for the use of a nuclear weapon. Yes, I do know my truth. I know my own ethics. I know my own morality. I know myself. I know right from wrong, if you want to make this about my own ethics. I would venture that I am not alone in my understanding of what is good and what is evil. Let me try to help you with that, as you seem to have a real problem: It is always wrong to lie. it is wrong to hide the truth of your lies (deception/falsehood) It is EVIL to declare that as "normal" behavior It is EVIL to support lies, falsehoods and suppression of knowledge. hth Andre > >> Yow. RPZ is a tool. You don't like that tool? Don't use it. You > >> care about the "truth"? Do your own DNSSEC validation. > > Sure, there are many tools, hacker tools, 0day scripts (for kidd1eS) > > If you cannot tell the difference between a tool I choose to deploy > to protect myself and the users I am responsible for (who can also > opt out if they so choose) and a tool that allows me to attack > external users, I doubt continued discussion is worthwhile. > > > Why do you not discuss the real issues? > > As far as I can tell, you have not identified any real issue, either > here or on DNSOP. You have, like religious preachers, declared your > view on ethics, morality, honesty, and truth, as axiomatic but not > discussed real issues that affect the development of tools to help > reduce abuse (relevant to this list) or the implementation of the > protocol (relevant to DNSOP). When you do so, perhaps then there > might be a discussion. > > > The truth is: I do not have a messianic complex > > It appears the truth is you believe you know The Truth. > > > The truth is, very obviously, you do not care about the truth :) > > If you say so, it must be true. > > Regards, > -drc > (speaking only for myself) > >
