Please. You keep trying to speak for the entire community and/or the ncc while all the time it is about your personal preference.
—srs ________________________________ From: anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-boun...@ripe.net> on behalf of Sascha Luck [ml] <a...@c4inet.net> Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 4:03 AM To: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] On +1s and Policy Awareness AND Astro... something... On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 04:52:32PM +0100, CSIRT.UMINHO Marco Teixeira wrote: >While I speak for myself, I might incur the risk of representing a lot of the >so-called "Astroturfers?!". While some accuse (please don't take it >personally, it's just clarification) the newcomers of being voiceless, I must >say that I have been, with great effort, refraining from going into a long >discourse on a list where I am new. That should not be understood as a sign of >"spamming" a vetting process, but as a sign of respect for all of you, >long-standing members of RIPE, guardians of our IP addresses, one of the >building blocks of the Internet :-) I know of forums where "the n00b" is expected to shut up and listen, but this is not one of them. At least I have never noticed that newcomers weren't welcomed - and as I stated before, I personally would like to see more and different voices here - and no, not just those who agree with me although I hope some will... So don't be afraid to speak up if you've something to say! >As one last thought, again IMHO, I believe BGP Hijacking is one of the most >pressing issues, menacing the Internet resiliency, and it must be dealt with. >In the same manner, we apply AUP's to our users, it's RIPE responsibility, to >clearly state, it is not acceptable, and it will have consequences... Raising >the risk for companies is the only way we tip the balance of "Loss vs >Earning", and hopefully eradicate bad actors, or hopefully even stopping them >right at their business plans. 1) The RIPE NCC is not the provider of "AUP" for the entire Internet or even the Internet of the Service Region. I understand that some would *like* it to be, but that is not what the members are paying it for. 2) If anyone needs to be "eradicated", I'd prefer that to be determined by a judge and, preferably, a jury. NOT some neighbourhood watch curtain-twitcher with the help of a monopoly service provider. >This is why I support "2019-03 New Policy Proposal (BGP Hijacking is a RIPE >Policy Violation)" and this is why I oppose it :) rgds, SL >Best regards, >Marco >----- Mensagem original ----- >> De: "Brian Nisbet" <brian.nis...@heanet.ie> >> Para: "anti-abuse-wg" <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> >> Enviadas: Quinta-feira, 4 De Abril de 2019 9:42:32 >> Assunto: [anti-abuse-wg] On +1s and Policy Awareness > >> Colleagues, >> >> Two (broad) things to address, while, of course, noting that I would ask you >> all >> to assume best intent in all of your fellow working group members. And to >> post >> as politely as possible yourself! >> >> I have, repeatedly, pointed out that all of the emails are being read by the >> Co-Chairs and the RIPE PDO. Short messages of support or +1s are noted and >> considered, but this is not a vote. I think I've said that twice now, >> hopefully >> the third time will be enough. We have also read the opinions of people about >> this, however the original statement remains unchanged. If, at the >> appropriate >> points, anyone in the working group feels the Co-Chairs have erred in our >> decision regarding consensus, then there is an appeals process. >> >> RIPE 710 covers the whole PDP and section 4 specifically covers appeals - >> https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-710 >> >> On the general awareness of the policy, the announcement on 2019-03 was >> posted >> to the Policy Announce list and to Routing-WG in addition to here. It has >> also >> been raised in a few other locations. Given where we are right now in the >> initial Discussion Phase and the plans by the authors to produce a v2.0 of >> the >> document, I would strongly suggest (but note that it is not certain) that >> nothing will have been decided by RIPE 78, when even more people will become >> aware. If people choose not to join the mailing list nor use the RIPE Forum >> to >> participate, then there is little the AA-WG can do. >> >> So please, especially given all the nice things people have said about the >> Co-Chairs, and thank you for that, can you trust that we are both seeing all >> of >> the messages and treating them as stated, and if you don't agree, there is a >> process by which you can express this, rather than all going back and forth >> again here. >> >> You can also always contact the Co-Chairs directly on aa-wg-ch...@ripe.net >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brian >> Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG >> >> >> >> Brian Nisbet >> Service Operations Manager >> HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network >> 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland >> +35316609040 brian.nis...@heanet.ie www.heanet.ie >> Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270 >
