If sending notifications is so effective and you already have the 
infrastructure in place to do it, then why involve RIPE? Can’t you just send 
the notices?

laura 



> On 1 Dec 2023, at 12:52, Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg 
> <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
> 
> It will make some organizations start handling reports that didn't do it 
> before.
> 
> We tried this in Switzerland, sending all ISPs abuse data asking them to deal 
> with it. In the beginning, very little enthusiasm, today most do.
> 
> None of these proposals have ever been tries, yet your you insist on knowing 
> they don't work. Let's try it and see what happens. If you insist on 100% 
> guarantees you'll never change anything. This is, why in the IETF you can't 
> simply say no, but you have to come with an alternative. So to that I 
> challenge you.
> 
> With this attitude the internet wouldn't exist. Sounds like the "Seat belts 
> don't work" fraction back in the day.
> 
> But I'll shut up now and focus on more constructive discussions elsewhere.
> 
> Best
> Serge
> 
> 
> On 01.12.23 13:22, Laura Atkins wrote:
>> None of this will make a company who doesn’t want to deal with abuse 
>> complaints deal with abuse complaints. It’s a total waste of resources.
>> laura
>>> On 1 Dec 2023, at 10:53, U.Mutlu <secur...@mutluit.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> For each complaint to RIPE NCC then such an
>>> (automated) email should be sent by the RIPE NCC
>>> to the abuse-c of that member.
>>> This should be the absolute minimum that should be done by the RIPE NCC.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Matthias Merkel wrote on 11/30/23 11:47:
>>>> The proposal is to send verification emails to abuse mailboxes and have a 
>>>> link
>>>> in them clicked, right? I would have no objection to that.
>>>> 
>>>> Is there more that is being proposed in this proposal specifically?
>>>> 
>>>> —
>>>> Maria Merkel
>>> 
>>> 
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