Re: The Canadian Connection [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

[Stephen Gowans]

HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --------------------------- Relax. That wasn’t a jab at the size of the list, not a comment on quality versus quantity (though quality without reach could hardly subserve the listserve’s presumed goals of stopping NATO.) Instead, it was an attempt to put this tiresome subject in perspective. Posting Margolis on a listerserve of 118 subscribers isn’t going to amount to a hill of beans, no matter what the power of "forward to" is, even if those subscribers are too dull to recognize misinformation, as some of the more frequently seen names on this list seem to suppose. In the exchanges on this issue, not once has anyone replied to my arguments. Instead, the same old charge is repeated, "But Margolis has an unsavory background. We shouldn’t suppose he’s one of us. He’s an imposter." Who cares what Margolis background is? Margolis’s colleague Peter Worthington has long been a bete noire of mine, but he wrote a wonderful exposure of the Racak massacre hoax, and yes, while others have written better exposures, Worthington’s was probably read by more than anyone else’s, and he writes for the Toronto Sun with its picayune circulation. Yes, ANTINATO is a listserve of superb quality, the best I know of, but I’d venture to guess that the asshole Worthington has done more to make large numbers of people ask questions about NATO policy vis-vis the Balkans than anyone on this list has. You take your allies where you can find them. Or you surround yourself with others who see the world in exactly the same way on every issue, and squander your energies on the margins, feeding delusions that you're making a difference. ----- Original Message ----- From: Francisco Javier Bernal To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 4:05 PM Subject: Re: The Canadian Connection [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --------------------------- Hello Stephen,   Excuse my language, but what's your problem? You don't need to be very smart to know how many subscriber the list have. Just visiting the list homepage, http://www.topica.com/lists/ANTINATO. So what? Since when quantity is synonimous of quality?   On Margolis: I currently receive two or three emails a week from different sources containing articles written by this individual. Most of them from people with no knowledge whatsoever on his background. And I don't live in Toronto.   As per the "118", never underestimate the capabilities of the 'forward to'.   Take it easy, mate     > > From: Stephen Gowans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 13:39:28 -0500 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: The Canadian Connection  [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] > > HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK > --------------------------- > > Of course, it's well known the CIA recruits heavily from the ranks of > Canadian journalists, there being too few American journalists from which to > choose, and the CIA having too few connections in the US, and Canadian > journalists having a far greater reach than any of their counterparts in the > US or Britain or France. Why, with the circulation of Margolis's paper > reaching upwards of 30,000, (though most of the readers never read > Margolis's column, the horoscope, Toronto Maple Leafs stats, and the > Sunshine girl having infinitely more appeal) and his potential exposure on > this listserve to the mind boggling number of 118, the CIA has chosen well. > With a reach like that, who knows what damage he could do. > > Yes, indeed, Richard, it is no coincidence he, like me, is based in Canada. > > But I must run.  A meeting awaits with my fellow Canadians to plot the > spread of more disinformation through our widely read newspapers. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Roper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 11:30 AM > Subject: Re: Columnist Eric Margolis [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] > > > > HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK > > --------------------------- > > > > I suggest it is time for these exchanges to stop. > > > > The problem with margolis is not how we may/ may not > > disagree with him, but his "official" contacts for > > whom he distributes disinformation. > > > > It's no coincidence he's based in Canada. > > > > > > --- Stephen Gowans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK > > > --------------------------- > > > > > > But Nancy, Margolis is a vegan! And he would never > > > countenance the sending of chickens to Afghanistan. > > > > > > Still, you may be right. At the same time we prevail > > > upon antiwar.com to blacklist Margolis, maybe we can > > > get them to stop posting Pat Buchanan and Justin > > > Raimondo. Surely there are people on the Left (and > > > not Chomskyites, Trotskyites, social democrats, > > > anarchists, world socialists, libertarian > > > socialists, third-way Marxists, progressives and > > > Blairites) who are making the same points on > > > Afghanistan, Iraq, and so on. Better yet, maybe some > > > of them are vegans. How about Alexander Cockburn? Or > > > does he work for the CIA? > > > > > > Another idea: Being an unrepentant ovolacto > > > vegetarian (yes, I do drink milk: mea culpa), I > > > think my writing should be posted before any of > > > those other guys. After all, who needs ideas, when > > > you have the right political loyalties (and diet)? > > > > > > Steve > > > > > >   ----- Original Message ----- > > >   From: Nancy Hey > > >   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >   Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 10:15 PM > > >   Subject: Re: Columnist Eric Margolis > > > [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] > > > > > > > > > HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK > > > --------------------------- > > >   " > > >   Other people are making the same points he is on > > >   Afghanistan, Iraq and so forth; there's no need to > > > > > >   provide this enemy of ours with more exposure and > > >   authority than his contacts in the intelligence > > >   community have already succeeded in doing. > > >   Respectfully, > > >   Rick > > >   " > > >   My sentiments exactly!  How can we get Antiwar.com > > > to see this point? > > > > > >   peacefully yours, > > >   Nancy Hey > > > > > >   mart-remote wrote: > > > > > >     Well said Rick. Please, let's not give this > > > bastard any more exposure than he already gets, or > > > even the thinest veneer of credibilty. Margolis is a > > > CIA-KLA terrorist who happens to use a typewriter to > > > kill people. His words do not belong on this list. > > > One slight correction. He is with the Toronto Sun, > > > not the Toronto Star. > > > > > >                           mart > > > > > > > > ====================================================================== > > > > > > > > >     Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 22:25:32 -0800 (PST) > > >     From: Rick Rozoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >     Subject: Re: Cowboy Prez rides to rescue? - > > > Columnist Eric Margolis > > >     [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] > > > > > > > > >     Dear Friends, > > >                  For anyone not already acquainted > > > with > > >     the fact, Eric Margolis is a Western > > > disinformation > > >     agent who boasts, inter alia, of smuggling > > > rockets > > >     into the Afghan mujahedin in the 1980s and > > > possessing > > >     a host of intelligence contacts, including with > > > the > > >     CIA. > > >     A quick Google search with the words "Eric > > > Margolis > > >     socialism" will demonstrate with whom we're > > > dealing. > > >     There is nothing remotely enlightened or > > > progressive > > >     about this individual, notwithstanding the fact > > > that > > >     his columns, from the very establishment Toronto > > > Star > > >     where he is the official foreign correspondent, > > > have > > >     been crossposted and linked on several US > > >     'progressive' sites fairly regularly of late. > > >     In fact, the only time he criticizes Western > > >     militarism, aside from goading it into being > > > more > > >     aggressive (e.g. "Stopping Europe's New Nazis" > > > and > > >     "Serbia Needs Moral Cleansing"), is when one of > > > his > > >     presumed co-religionists is under fire. > > >     As such he operates on a personal, and hardly > > >     political or principled, agenda. > > >     Other people are making the same points he is on > > > > > >     Afghanistan, Iraq and so forth; there's no need > > > to > > >     provide this enemy of ours with more exposure > > > and > > >     authority than his contacts in the intelligence > > >     community have already succeeded in doing. > > >     Respectfully, > > >     Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > >     Do You Yahoo!? > > >     Yahoo! 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