If the main issue is an abuse of power and having adequate checks and
balances, doesn't the assembly of committers hold the power to overturn PMC
decisions? Which would include removals I guess.

Tanmai

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:26 PM Samuel Sloniker <scoopgra...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Okay. Maybe at least have a group appointed by the PMC and confirmed by
> the Assembly that at least has the power to interpret the bylaws?
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 7:07 AM Tino Didriksen <m...@tinodidriksen.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Any such secondary group would in practice be equally powerful as the
>> PMC, because they would need admin access to execute the auditing and
>> suspension. But because they would not be responsible for day-to-day
>> operations, they wouldn't be active to even spot patterns of abuse.
>>
>> So it would still be the PMC discovering something that needs to be acted
>> on immediately, and needing to consult another slow and potentially offline
>> party. It just doesn't work in practice.
>>
>> On top of that, it would further complicate elections.
>>
>> I recognize you want the three estates, but it's not practical.
>>
>> -- Tino Didriksen
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 at 15:49, Samuel Sloniker <scoopgra...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am not suggesting the Assembly immediately do it. I am suggesting that
>>> at the time of each PMC election, the Assembly elect a separate group that
>>> would handle removals.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 9:50 AM Tino Didriksen <m...@tinodidriksen.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 18:27, Samuel Sloniker <scoopgra...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Again, I believe the PMC should not be involved in removing Committer
>>>>> access, even temporarily. I think a separate elected group should do that.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That simply can't work. If someone is actively abusing their access or
>>>> got hacked, we need to be able to immediately revoke access. Requiring
>>>> asking the Assembly up front is far too slow.
>>>>
>>>> -- Tino Didriksen
>>>>
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