I wouldn't say organic pesticides more toxic to the environment but the fact 
that most are so broad spectrum that they kill beneficials as well as pests. 
That makes them unecological. as compared to many of the modern pesticides that 
are very specific in their targets. Plus many times when you kill the 
beneficials you cause a whole new set of problems that have to be addressed. 
You end up having to spray even more.
Just the fact that organic pesticides are short lived also makes them 
unecological in increased fuel usage when several sprays may be needed to take 
the place of one conventional material.

Bill Fleming
Montana State University
Western Ag Research Center
580 Quast Ln
Corvallis, Montana
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From: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-c...@virtualorchard.net] On 
Behalf Of Robert kuljis
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 10:46 AM
To: Apple-Crop
Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: RE:..and causes you to be fat too!

I agree to buy local , but how can you say that organic pesticides are more 
toxic to the enviornment?  Lets see, kaolin clay, entrust(soil organism), 
pyrethreum(breaks down VERY fast, as opposed to synthetic version which last 
longer).  How are these  more toxic then man made chemicals which do not break 
down? they break down into compounds that still have no analog in nature..

On Jul 23, 2010, at 8:18 AM, <moore5...@msn.com<mailto:moore5...@msn.com>> 
wrote:



It is more important to know where your food is grown!   We have seen 
salmonella from melons and scallions from Mexico and Asia. The USA has the Food 
& Drug Administration that tightly regulates pesticides and their application.  
Foreign foods do not!  Some pesticides are not applied to the food at all but 
on small plastic tabs that are clipped on branches to act as a deterrent to the 
bug.  Organic food growers use pesticides also, just more often because the 
product does not last as long.  Many organic pesticides are more toxic to the 
environment than the standard commercial grower uses.  I know because I am a 
commercial grower of apples. Pesticides in the run off stream water from the 
home gardener is one of the biggest offenders of pollution.   Consumers should 
use common sense and wash everything raw before eating it.  don't deprive 
children of good nutrition because of a sensational hit article that may be 
designed to  garner contributions to their non-profit cause.  We grow the 
safest food in the world.  Support your local farmer's market and buy American!

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To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net<mailto:apple-crop@virtualorchard.net>
From: david_d...@mac..com
Subject: Apple-Crop: ...and causes you to be fat too!
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:47:28 -0400

the current lead story on Yahoo - 
http://shine.yahoo.com/event/loveyourbody/why-you-cant-lose-those-last-10-pounds-1964849/

"...See, an apple a day may have kept the doctor away 250 years ago when 
Benjamin Franklin included the phrase in his almanac. But if that apple comes 
loaded with obesity-promoting chemicals - nine of the ten most commonly used 
pesticides are obesogens, and apples are one of the most pesticide-laden foods 
out there - then Ben's advice is way out of date...."

I look forward to market saturday -

David Doud -

grower - indiana





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