Personally I would take my money and do something else with it rather than 
start an orchard.  Being in the farming business is an honorable profession, 
but there are easiler ways to lose money.

Tommy Bruguiere
Dickie Bros. Orchard
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ed Fackler 
  To: Apple-crop discussion list 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 2:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [apple-crop] Training goal as it relates to initial planting


  Rye:

       If you have good soil and live in S. Calif, those trees will get bigger 
than 7-9' and (likely) occupy more space than 6' between trees.  

       And while you seem determined to use a wire trellis, you should know 
that wires are a pain.  Or as the trees grow and fill in their space 
limbs/foliage will make pruning difficult.  Reason.  Invariably you'll get your 
pruners into the wire and ruin both pruners and possibly the wire.  Further 
every time you want to get on the other side of this trellis you'll need to 
walk around the end of the row.  And on a hot (100 degree plus) day, this sort 
of stuff is unwanted.

      I'd suggest you use a single post for each tree and simply anchor (tie) 
each tree to the post.

  Ed......former grower, now too old to think about trellis...S. Ind...


  2011/2/19 <ducn...@aol.com>



    Hello, newbie here.

    I am planting a small high density orchard.  I have bareroots on order on 
m9 nic-29.  Due to arrive in the next week or three.  I'm planting with 6 foot 
in-row spacing and looking to maintain a tree height of about 7-9 feet on 4 (or 
5 if they look like they want to grow to 9 feet) wire trellises for a hedgegrow 
with the main branches latticed similar to this photo:

    http://resources.cas.psu.edu/TFPG/apple_trellis/images/slide33.gif

    Two ways I can think to accomplish this:

    1) after planting, cut the scion to about 22 inches (from ground level) and 
train two leaders to grow 45 degrees North and South respectively.
    2) initially plant trees at a 45 degree angle, leaning to the North, 
training a low shoot to grow 45 degrees to the South.

    I lean towards option 1) but being a newbie I'm hesitant to cut them so 
short.  However, that's what it looks like was done in the photo. Can a newly 
planted bareroot handle being cut to 22 inches?  Also they will be in grow 
tubes to protect from the critters.  Just wanted to mention that if it matters 
that only about 3 inches of wood will get a full day's sun initially.

    Thank you so much for your consideration.

    Rye Hefley
    Future Farmer's Market Vendor
    Private orchard in So. Cal.


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