Just to clarify the history in Afghanistan ...

The US aid to Afghanistan (mentioned below) was to various groups (mostly
the equivalent of tribal clans) who were resisting the intervention of
the Soviet Army in Afghani affairs. At that point in time, they were not
unified and posed no external threat. Nor are they an external threat
currently.

Osama wasn't technically a recipient. He came on the scene late and had
his own money. He originally obtained a following primarily by offering
an assortment of humanitarian assistance. The fighting came later. Many
of his followers were religious students (Talib = student, Taliban =
students [plural] ). 

The Taliban was able to strong-arm their way to control the trade route
from Pakistan through Kandihar and, subsequently, obtained the support of
the Pakistani intelligence services. Any American weapons possessed by
Osama and Al-Qaida came from the other, earlier groups which became
allied with the Taliban. The exception was Masood, whose ethnic Tajik
"Northern Alliance" resisted (and continue to resist) the Taliban
government.

Al-Qaida and Taliban are two different entities. Many in the Taliban
government were very religious. There was actually a lively debate
(similar to our own ongoing dialog) within the Taliban circles concerning
the validity and legality of indiscriminate violence. Al-Qaida never had
that debate, nor were they very pious. Taliban are technically
fundamentalists (refer to previous email <g>); the "means must justify
the end" (translated ... do it right in God's sight). For Al-Qaida, the
"end justify the means" (translated ... immoral action is justified by
victory) - therefore, they are merely terrorists.

And, BTW,  for the conspiracy theory group - there is an oil pipeline
involved there, too.

Bob


(originally from  Re: International law???)

On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:12:31 -0800 Vitaly Luban <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> On Thursday 20 February 2003 11:17 am, Casper Gielen wrote:
> > Op donderdag 20 februari 2003 07:31, schreef Vitaly Luban:

 < a bunch of stuff snipped>
 
> > that the US trained Afghan rebels to fight
> > against the USSR. One of the leaders of those 
> > rebels was Osama Bin Laden. 
> 
> You're mixing things again. US aid, if any,
> was directed to afghans, to help them to
> struggle against much stronger invader. It was
> never directed to an international terrorist
> organisation. Do not mix Al-Kaeda and, 
> say, Taliban. Though, in my personal opinion,
> even this aid was a mistake.
> 

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