I was referring to the before-referenced licensing agreements, or copyright issues, not ILL work flow efficiencies. My point is that database licensing agreements are written by people that either have no idea of the multiple technologies that librarians have at their disposal or that have excessively legal minds that make distinctions that are either nonsensical or overly protective. Whether you send an OCR-able pdf file via Ariel, via email attachment, or straight from a database you found for a student that they didn't know about, the result is the same: a librarian-mediated ILL request, all in the same format, sent to a student in need.
Craighton Hippenhammer Associate Professor Department of Library Informatics Olivet Nazarene University Bourbonnais, IL 60914 >>> Sandra Vermeychuk <sverm...@swarthmore.edu> 2/27/2009 11:06 AM >>> No - not splitting hairs. Ariel "manages" all this incoming and outgoing stuff, in ways that email cannot. I don't want to look up every address for every patron who gets an article, or every place we send an article. -- Sandra Vermeychuk, ILL Coordinator McCabe Library, Swarthmore College 500 College Avenue, Swarthmore, PA 19081 610-328-7822, sverm...@swarthmore.edu >>> "Craighton Hippenhammer" <chham...@olivet.edu> 2/27/2009 10:49 AM >>> Aren't we splitting hairs here? Don't both methods (email and Ariel/fax) end up with the same result? A delivered ILL document? Craighton Hippenhammer Associate Professor Department of Library Informatics Olivet Nazarene University Bourbonnais, IL 60914 >>> "Document Delivery" <docdeliv...@iona.edu> 2/27/2009 10:37 AM >>> Sometimes they say 'can be mailed or faxed', but in one instance that I investigated Ariel was considered a fax transmission, Edward Helmrich ILL Office Ryan Library Iona College VXI 914-633-2352 docdeliv...@iona.edu -----Original Message----- From: arie-l-boun...@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Brenda Austin Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 10:16 AM To: Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System Subject: RE: [ARIE-L] e-mail delivery Again, emailing documents is generally taboo with regards to licensing agreements. Or is not everyone abiding the terms of agreements? I find it all very confusing. Brenda Austin ILL Coordinator University of New England Libraries (UNB) 11 Hills Beach Road Biddeford, ME 04005 207-602-2386 >>> "Greer, Wally D." <wgr...@stlcc.edu> 2/27/2009 9:36 AM >>> Wait until Google discovers a "cloud" app. With all of your statutory requirements satisfied. What you're doing with Ariel could easily be replaced with a third party site. Ariel is just The Fax Machine Of The Darned Librarians. You wait all day for Inter Library Loans to come out of the Fax Machine Of The Darned. There's no reason why this could not be handled (from a functional, not legal) standpoint by making it a Library Of Congress shared document center, or even e-mailed requests through Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, etc. Then local mail server limits can be ignored. Our Mad Scientist Exchange administrator is thinking of limiting us to 2048 bytes each. Yes, bytes, singular. OK. That was a slight exaggeration. But with average file sizes going up, and the mail system being the default filing-system-of-record, ordinary staff are getting throttled back to trivial box sizes. Something has to give. Wally Greer Senior PC Tech St. Louis Community College, Cosand Center 300 South Broadway St. Louis MO 63102-2810 (314) 539-5104 wgr...@stlcc.edu -----Original Message----- From: arie-l-boun...@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Bierma, Lynn Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 8:15 AM To: Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System Subject: RE: [ARIE-L] e-mail delivery We send via Ariel and email; perhaps a bit more email than Ariel. If its a large file, we'll use Adobe Acrobat to reduce the file size before sending. On a side note, I've asked staff to make sure that the borrower's email address is not a personal email address, in case that person is not in the office. We'll only send to obvious department wide email addresses. Lynn Bierma Interlibrary Loan Operations Coordinator Illinois State Library 300 South 2nd Street Springfield, IL 62701 PHONE: 217-558-1928 FAX: 217-782-4446 EMAIL: lbie...@ilsos.net INTERLIBRARY LOAN DEPT. EMAIL: islinter-libraryl...@ilsos.net Jesse White, Secretary of State and State Librarian Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Original Message----- From: arie-l-boun...@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman1.u.washington.edu]on Behalf Of Amy Thompson Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 8:05 AM To: bwal...@seminary.edu; arie-l@u.washington.edu Subject: RE: [ARIE-L] e-mail delivery We get around the attachment size problem by saving our to the server with a FTP (file transfer protocal) program. Then the browwer just clicks on a link. It works great. Amy Thompson - Lead Coordinator Interlibrary Loan Department Kennesaw State University Horace W. Sturgis Library 1000 Chastain Rd. Bldg. 17 Rm.121 Kennesaw, GA 30144 MS1701 770-423-6002 -- 770-423-6185 (fax) OCLC (GKJ) *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~**~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~**~*~*~**~*~* "Always read stuff that will make you look good if you die in the middle of it. " ~P. J. O'Rourke 11/14/1947 - >>> bwal...@seminary.edu 2/25/2009 10:08:59 AM >>> Do people who email articles run into attachment size problems? At one time, Ariel was a convenient way to make sure that your document reached its destination without being blocked by local email restrictions. Are institutions no longer blocking large email attachments? -- Blake Walter Director, Brimson Grow Library Director of Academic Administration Northern Seminary 680 E Butterfield Rd, Lombard, IL 60148 (Voice) 630-620-2115; (Fax) 630-620-2170 bwal...@seminary.edu http://www.seminary.edu/BGL/ -----Original Message----- From: arie-l-boun...@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of JONES, RICK Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 10:34 AM To: Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System Subject: [ARIE-L] e-mail delivery While I suppose it's a little tacky to bring up here but we are considering dropping ariel and sending and receiving articles via e-mail .pdf. I was wondering if libraries who use ariel are also sending and receving e-mail .pdf files and if this is becoming more common. Thanks, Rick Jones Circulation Supervisor E. M. 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