On 7/12/13 10:37 , Jason Schiller wrote:
David,

I took the liberty or changing the subject to "Fair Distribution" in
order to make this a
completely separate thread allowing the other conversation to continue
(possibly at a later
time) without getting tangled up with this one.

Thanks

Comments in line,

__Jason

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 7:58 PM, David Farmer <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

...
    So how do we move forward? I suggest;

    1. Can everyone concede that going forward, conservation is much
    less important, but that the need for some concept of conservation
    doesn't completely go away either.

Assuming this is true, then the section on stewardship and balancing
allows for the community  to find the right level, and modify ARIN
policy accordingly.

Yes, exactly

    2. Lets focus the conversation on other issues for a while, let this
    cool down a little, then come back to it after we've cooled down and
    maybe have resolved some of the other issues.

Personally, I'm hoping to see the staff assessment soon, and hoping we
can make a list
of all the current practices that would be modified if this draft policy
is implemented,
and try to make sure the community aggress those practices should not change
and modify the draft accordingly.

The AC has a call next week, I'm sure we will discuss this. But, Chris is the Shepherd and I'll let him take the lead on that.

    3. Are there other concepts, principles, or goals that were missing?
      I suggested earlier that there were additional principles we
    should be looking at.  An candidates has come up in the conversation
    today that I would like to propose;

        0.2 Fair Distribution

        The principle of Fair Distribution is the precept that the
        fundamental purpose of Internet number resources management is to
        distributed unique number resources in a fair and impartial manner
        to entities building and operating networks, for benefit of all
        Internet users equally, and thereby facilitating the growth and
        sustainability of the Internet.


I would not oppose the suggested text.

I think it probably needs more work, but I'll leave that in Chris' capable hands as shepherd. I just want to start the discussion, I'm interested in what others think too.

    I'd make this #2 behind Registration, and I'd suggest Conservation
    could follow and ties into this principle through the concepts of
    "fairness" and "sustainability"


I'm not sure ordering matters...

From a technical perspective, no ordering doesn't mater.

These are not stack ranked where the most important principle is followed
to the detriment of the others.  Hence the section on stewardship and
suggestion of balancing.

But OK, if the community wants it to be #2 I see no issue.

However, from an emotional perspective and how people interrupt the narrative it does mater.


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