On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 11:18 AM, David Farmer <[email protected]> wrote: > On 7/12/13 10:37 , Jason Schiller wrote: >> >> David, >> >> I took the liberty or changing the subject to "Fair Distribution" in >> order to make this a >> completely separate thread allowing the other conversation to continue >> (possibly at a later >> time) without getting tangled up with this one. > > > Thanks > >> Comments in line, >> >> __Jason >> >> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 7:58 PM, David Farmer <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> > ... >> >> So how do we move forward? I suggest; >> >> 1. Can everyone concede that going forward, conservation is much >> less important, but that the need for some concept of conservation >> doesn't completely go away either. >> >> Assuming this is true, then the section on stewardship and balancing >> allows for the community to find the right level, and modify ARIN >> policy accordingly. > > > Yes, exactly > > >> 2. Lets focus the conversation on other issues for a while, let this >> cool down a little, then come back to it after we've cooled down and >> maybe have resolved some of the other issues. >> >> Personally, I'm hoping to see the staff assessment soon, and hoping we >> can make a list >> of all the current practices that would be modified if this draft policy >> is implemented, >> and try to make sure the community aggress those practices should not >> change >> and modify the draft accordingly. > > > The AC has a call next week, I'm sure we will discuss this. But, Chris is > the Shepherd and I'll let him take the lead on that.
As David mentioned, we have a meeting coming up but I can't get the full staff and legal review until we stop changing the text! =) So my guess is that we'll have to do that a bit further down the line. I will tell you that I got an informal/off-the-record assesment from staff and based the v2 text on what I heard. So, the current text is designed to not modify any current practices - we will need to confirm that again once the text congeals. >> 3. Are there other concepts, principles, or goals that were missing? >> I suggested earlier that there were additional principles we >> should be looking at. An candidates has come up in the conversation >> today that I would like to propose; >> >> 0.2 Fair Distribution >> >> The principle of Fair Distribution is the precept that the >> fundamental purpose of Internet number resources management is to >> distributed unique number resources in a fair and impartial manner >> to entities building and operating networks, for benefit of all >> Internet users equally, and thereby facilitating the growth and >> sustainability of the Internet. >> >> >> I would not oppose the suggested text. > > > I think it probably needs more work, but I'll leave that in Chris' capable > hands as shepherd. I just want to start the discussion, I'm interested in > what others think too. I have some ideas on how to work this in, along with some other suggestions that have been made - there will be a v3 of the text, I'm waiting till the conversation settles down before trying to incorporate it all though - stay tuned! Cheers, ~Chris >> I'd make this #2 behind Registration, and I'd suggest Conservation >> could follow and ties into this principle through the concepts of >> "fairness" and "sustainability" >> >> >> I'm not sure ordering matters... > > > From a technical perspective, no ordering doesn't mater. > > >> These are not stack ranked where the most important principle is followed >> to the detriment of the others. Hence the section on stewardship and >> suggestion of balancing. >> >> But OK, if the community wants it to be #2 I see no issue. > > > However, from an emotional perspective and how people interrupt the > narrative it does mater. > > > > -- > ================================================ > David Farmer Email: [email protected] > Office of Information Technology > University of Minnesota > 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 > Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 > ================================================ > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. -- @ChrisGrundemann http://chrisgrundemann.com _______________________________________________ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
