On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 2:30 PM, William Herrin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Owen DeLong <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Jul 17, 2013, at 4:34 PM, William Herrin <[email protected]> wrote: > >> What about Comcast? They're in the business of providing cable > >> television service. They'll also provide you with Internet access on > >> the same coax cable with the modem they rent you. > >> > >> ISP or end-user? > > > > The service is intended to be used to connect customer-owned > > equipment to the internet. As such, they are clearly in the LIR/ISP > realm. > > Starbucks, Hilton, they have large sections of the operation dedicated > to connecting customer-owned equipment to the Internet. You said: > > > Each Starbucks itself is more like an end-user. They never register the > > addresses to the users and the users are making very transient use of > those addresses. > > So does that mean that an ISP generally leases Internet service monthy > or yearly but and end-user only leases Internet service hourly or > daily? > > -Bill There was (still is, but not as commonly used) a distinction which is useful in this discussion - "Network Service Provider" - provides network blocks to people "Internet Service Provider" - provides individual internet access of some sort (big) end user would be providing either or both to internal systems / customer groups, depending on interior routing / subnetting / network management. There are other definitions of those, but those are relevant. In IPv6 land it gets more complicated, with /64 at least and usually /56s going to individuals, but they may be getting those dynamically and for a single endpoint device and some fudging of the boundary has happened there. But there's still clearly a "this is SWIPed netblock to a network customer" vs "this is an individual end user / end device". $COFFEESHOP central networking may allocate a netblock to each location, but they're internal customers not external. One can make the case that the individual access then makes the overall organization an ISP from there. $HOTELCHAIN central networking - same thing. -- -george william herbert [email protected]
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