Hey Cathy,
I know that ARIN was the first RIR to have transfers allowed by policy.
I also know there have been a few organizations that have returned
addresses. Even a /8 was returned not long time ago (I think just a /16
was still used by the organization).
I was just answering to the question on whether ARIN (or any other RIR)
should do more to reclaim unused addresses back. My opinion is that time
has passed.
I think that now, once everyone knows there's a possible profit to be
made out of the IPs and since the policies allow transfer of unused
space, it will be very difficult to reclaim address space (and I'm not
even talking about legacy space, I'm talking about space that was
allocated by ARIN).
The RIRs have always said that even if they reclaim the unused space, it
will only increase their free pool with such amounts that it will take
with just a few weeks (maybe months) longer to reach exhaustion.
cheers,
elvis
On 10/06/14 23:47, CJ Aronson wrote:
Elvis..
ARIN has had 8.3 transfers since 2009. We long ago accepted that
there would be a market for IP addresses. I believe ARIN was the
first RIR to have such a policy. The link to the archive is here
https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2009_1.html
Soon after we worked on the listing service as well. This policy has
been used and I am sure the ARIN staff has numbers of how many such
transfers have taken place.
Just because this region has historically been in favor of justified
need doesn't mean that folks haven't accepted that there would be a
market.
Thanks!
----Cathy
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Elvis Velea <el...@velea.eu
<mailto:el...@velea.eu>> wrote:
On 10/06/14 22:15, l...@mwtcorp.net <mailto:l...@mwtcorp.net> wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:11:15 +0000
Steven Ryerse <srye...@eclipse-networks.com
<mailto:srye...@eclipse-networks.com>> wrote:
Get used to it because even if this Community doesn’t
relent and ease up on needs requirements, the marketplace
will take up the slack outside of ARIN - and a 2nd (or
more) defacto marketplace will be created. It is
inevitable and short of a law being past you and I can’t
stop it. As you probably know this is already happening
with the IP brokers out there and I could easily see
another RIR who is out of resources joining up with
significant 3rd party brokers to fill IPv4 needs at market
prices worldwide. There is another supply of IPv4
resources out there in the form of all those Legacy /8’s
that were given out many years ago, and I suspect that
demand will bring some of those resources to market. That
supply could defer switching to IPv6 for years and not
everyone likes IPv6.
Then maybe the discussion we should be having is how to
reclaim un-needed IPV4 space.
this discussion should have happened 10 years ago. Now, it's too late.
Everyone knows that IP addresses are worth a buck or two.. The
marketplace exists and at least 3 RIRs acknowledge it and their
communities have built policies for it. Would you give them up if
you would be having a (large) number of unused IPs; IPs that may
bring your organization the money needed to invest in new
equipment and skills and migrate to IPv6 :)
cheers,
elvis
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