No, and and actively regulating price is not a good idea. However, every action has a reaction. Just as with any policy. I remain opposed, but appreciate the comments and efforts.
Best, -M< On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 2:22 PM Mike Burns <m...@iptrading.com> wrote: > Hi Martin, > > > > Are we regulating for price now? > > Your numbers seem accurate to me. > > > > Regards, > Mike > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Martin Hannigan <hanni...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 01, 2019 1:53 PM > *To:* Mike Burns <m...@iptrading.com> > *Cc:* Jim <mysi...@gmail.com>; John Santos <j...@egh.com>; ARIN-PPML List > <arin-ppml@arin.net> > *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-18: LIR/ISP > Re-Assignment to Non-Connected Networks > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 1:37 PM Mike Burns <m...@iptrading.com> wrote: > > Jim wrote: > I am opposed to proposal that ARIN should in general be facilitating > entities > being able to obtain from ARIN permanent allocations made to > support temporary use for non-connected networks. It sounds like > creating an inviting environment for potential spammers and fraud, and > LIRs/ISPs should not be involved in this. > > > Hi Jim, > > More hand-waving about spam and fraud that doesn't exist and ignoring the > obvious need that does exist. A market has arisen to meet the need, that > proves the need exists. A google search confirms this for everybody. But > the environment you exists and has not generated spam and fraud. > > This is why I point to RIPE. They have what you refer to as "policy > facilitating enties being able to obtain from (the RIR) permanent > allocations made to support temporary use for non-connected networks." You > say this will create an inviting environment for more of the spooky > consequences I have heard about for almost 10 years now. Spooky > consequences > absent from RIPE. Or can you find them there? > > > > I'm opposed to it, but for different reasons. I worry about the cash flows > building against leased numbers and creating a situation where it increases > costs on the transfer market by competition for space. I'm seeing /24's at > $90 MRC. That's roughly $4 per address per year leased vs. $21 on the > transfer market. I agree, probably not abused any more than anything else. > For me, it sends the wrong message transition wise. > > > Can it be more clear? RIPE has had NO NEEDS TEST FOR YEARS. We have > performed the experiment, why ignore the results? > If I want to become a Lessor, yet another reason to incorporate in Europe, > I > guess. There is no restriction in RIPE in the purchasing of addresses for > the purpose of leasing them out, nor for the leasing part. > A recipe for registry-shopping and address-flight. > > > > I mostly agree with you. RIPE is a different region though and has > different allocation patterns and concerns about their registry inventory. > RIPE policy makers seem to feel that exhausting and a liberal market is the > fastest way to transition.At least that's how I read it sometimes. I'm not > going to judge if they are right or wrong. ARIN network operators tend to > want to be more independent and there are many examples where the world > goes left and NA goes right, infrastructure wise. Just the nature of the > beast. I don't think everyone understands that there actually is common > policy (via the ASO process and IANA) and then globally coordinated, more > like a treaty. Its just not everything. But there is more in common than > not. > > > > Best, > > > > -M< > > > > > > > > > Regards, > Mike > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. > >
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