Yes to focus solely on allocation policies that means make it clear when
a revocation may happen which is governed by this forum.
Agree that RSA can have all the possible details, but I see no harm in
keeping the text exactly as it is. Could anyone explain what sort of
trouble keeping the text there may bring any issues to ARIN on the
allocation/revocation process in place ?
Fernando
On 15/01/2021 21:07, Chris Woodfield wrote:
The language, as is, is problematic because there’s a clear
delineation between the NRPM and ARIN’s RSA/LRSAs. The former is
intended to focus solely on allocation policies, and is a living
document subject to change via the PDP. The RSA/LRSA agreements,
however, are contracts whose language can only be modified by action
from ARIN’s Board of Trustees. Contractual language on member fees,
terms and conditions, and related topics are solely the domain of the
RSA, and as such the inclusion of language regarding fees in the NRPM
should be stricken - this language is already present in the RSA,
where it belongs.
The primary reason for this delineation, as I understand it is that
language in the RSA is necessary contractual language that ARIN must
have in order to provide the necessary income to fulfill ARIN’s
mission and responsibilities, and to protect ARIN from unnecessary
legal liabilities that may threaten that mission. While number policy
is subject to a community-driven policy development process, the
language in ARIN's RSAs, for what I hope are obvious reasons, must be
controlled far more tightly, hence the separation between the two.
I hope this helps clarify things.
-Chris
On Jan 15, 2021, at 3:36 PM, Fernando Frediani <fhfredi...@gmail.com
<mailto:fhfredi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Applies to all resources of course. If not in the appropriate place
then add it there then. But not remove something that is very obvious.
How can it deal with the issues better by removing from the text that
part that makes it clear that resources may be revoked if they are
not payed ?
Fernando
On 15/01/2021 20:33, David Farmer wrote:
Are you saying fees only apply to ISPs with IPv4, the current text
is in section 4.2.1.4, where section 4.2 applies to Allocations to
ISPs...
Furthermore, not paying fees is only one reason resources may be
revoked or reclaimed.
I think the new text is a better way to deal with the issues.
On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 17:09 Fernando Frediani
<fhfredi...@gmail.com <mailto:fhfredi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yes fees are most a RSA thing, but I see no harm to keep the
actual wording as it is and make it loud and clear that
organizations that don't pay the fees are subjected to resources
revocation - which is up to this forum to define - so no one may
plead ignorance about it.
What is the problem to keep it as it is ? If the newly proposed
text mentions that ISPs should take care to ensure that their
annual renewal payment is made by their anniversary due date,
what's wrong to also remind them that if that is not fulfilled
the resources may be revoked ?
This makes part of the Fair and Impartial Number Resources
Administration principle.
I see no propose in this proposal therefore I do not support it.
Regards
Fernando
On 15/01/2021 17:55, ARIN wrote:
The following Draft Policy has been revised:
* ARIN-2020-8: Clarify and Update 4.2.1.2 Annual Renewal Fee
Revised text is below and can be found at:
https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2020_8/
<https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2020_8/>
You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The
AC will evaluate the discussion in order to assess the
conformance of this Draft Policy with ARIN's Principles of
Internet number resource policy as stated in the Policy
Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are:
* Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration
* Technically Sound
* Supported by the Community
The PDP can be found at:
https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/
<https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/>
Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:
https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/
<https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/>
Regards,
Sean Hopkins
Policy Analyst
American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
Draft Policy ARIN-2020-8: Clarify and Update 4.2.1.2 Annual
Renewal Fee
Problem Statement:
The January 2020 Policy Experience Report highlighted that the
existing language in Section 4.2.1.2 "Annual Renewal"
references fees. Fees are not considered a member qualification
criteria. Since fees aren't referenced elsewhere in community
policy, the wording was reviewed by the PEG.
Policy statement:
Given that the Registration Services Agreement (RSA) already
contains language regarding fees, the AC Shepherds recommend to
eliminate 4.2.1.2. entirely and add:
2.X Registration Services Agreement (RSA)
Number resources allocated or assigned by ARIN under these
policies are subject to a contractural agreement between ARIN
and the resource holder. Throughout this document, any and all
forms of this agreement, past or future, are simply referred to
as the Registration Services Agreement (RSA).
Comments:
The AC’s understanding is that community policy should not
include language referring to fees, as such language is already
present in the Registration Services Agreement (RSA)
Registration Services has informed us that "Section 4.2.1.2.
contains language detailing fee due dates, encouraging on-time
payments, and mentions potential revocations. It also contains
a reference to web documentation that has evolved significantly
since this policy was implemented, and may continue to do so.
Essentially the entire section is made of language that is
already in the Registration Services Agreement, and is
generally fee-focused, making it outside normal scope for
Internet number resource policy."
Timetable for implementation: Immediate
Anything else:
Community input since adopting draft has informed this
direction. The 2.X placeholder is used as this seems like it
might be foundational enough to not be 2.17 but the Shepherds
would rather not upset current indexing arbitrarily.
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