No it doesn’t, that authority comes from the membership, not this policy forum. Yes, there is significant overlap between the two, but they are distinct groups.
On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 18:23 Fernando Frediani <fhfredi...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi David > > I am not against it has, but it does because the authority given to them > for that come from this forum (for the revocation part not the fee > structure). > 4.2.1.2 makes it very clear and doesn't go into any operational details > and this proposal is willing to remove it. > > Fernando > On 16/01/2021 20:42, David Farmer wrote: > > The Board has the power to set fees, which includes at least the power to > revoke resources for nonpayment. If it did not, the power to set fees would > be meaningless. > > Thanks > > On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 5:29 PM Fernando Frediani <fhfredi...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> John, let's make it simple: The Board has no power to *make and adopt >> policies* concerning resources allocation without passing in this forum. >> Look: make policies not just adopt them ! >> >> Yes we all understand it has the ultimate authority to adopt all ARIN's >> policies, but it *cannot make and adopt any policies by itself*. That is a >> sole prerogative from this forum to initiate, discuss and agree on it to >> *then* pass it to them for approval. >> Therefore Board has no power to determine the conditions for resources to >> be allocated or revoked. This forum does and why I am of that the current >> text is fine to remain as it is as it is not causing any trouble and >> doesn't go into any operational details. >> >> The text in the proposal doesn't refer to how fees are structured, but >> only mentions that lack of payment is a reason for revocation (again a sole >> prerogative of this forum to define not the Board). In other words the >> authority for ARIN to revoke resources always comes from this forum. >> As a suggestion to this proposal why not make more clear and something >> similar to what LACNIC has which mentions that violations to the contract >> leads to revocation ? >> >> Fernando >> On 16/01/2021 19:30, John Curran wrote: >> >> On 16 Jan 2021, at 3:39 PM, Fernando Frediani <fhfredi...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Exactly John, that's why the Board of Trustees or equivalent body has to >> approve policies that advances from this forum, to make sure they are in >> line with the applicable law, operational impacts, etc. But the Board has >> not power to make policies or define rules for allocation of revocation. >> >> Fernando - >> >> That is also incorrect in the ARIN region (“But the Board has not power >> to make policies or define rules for allocation of revocation.”) The ARIN >> Board of Trustees has the full authority of the organization, having been >> elected by the membership - this includes the ultimate authority to adopt >> all of ARIN’s number resource policies. In its deep wisdom, the ARIN Board >> of Trustees adopted a Policy Development Process that delegates and >> constrains its role in the normal course of policy development, but that >> does not change the underlying authority to define the policies by which >> ARIN operates. >> >> More important to highlight is that any policies regarding allocation of >> revocation come exclusively from this forum. If this forum defines lack of >> payment is one of that reasons for revocation of resources and Board >> approves it according to the PDP, then the Board is free to adjust the RSA >> and whatever procedures necessary to make it happen. >> >> Again, that is not the case in the ARIN region, and it might be best if >> you refrain from make assertions regarding the functioning of authority in >> the ARIN region without further research. Note - I am also available at >> any time if you wish to discuss specifics of ARIN authority and operation - >> feel free to reach out to me to arrange if needed. >> >> What I am saying with is that it is in its prerogatives for this forum to >> keep in the policy text that lack of payment is a reason for revocation. >> There is not reason to remove what is in there, it will not cause any harm >> or conflict to whatever the Board decides the RSA will be. >> >> The policy writeup notes "The AC’s understanding is that community policy >> should not include language referring to fees, as such language is already >> present in the Registration Services Agreement (RSA)” – this statement is >> accurate, which suggests that the proposed change to policy text is >> well-considered. >> >> Thanks, >> /John >> >> John Curran >> President and CEO >> American Registry for Internet Numbers >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. >> > > > -- > =============================================== > David Farmer Email:far...@umn.edu > Networking & Telecommunication Services > Office of Information Technology > University of Minnesota > 2218 University Ave SE > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/2218+University+Ave+SE?entry=gmail&source=g> > Phone: 612-626-0815 > Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 > =============================================== > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. > -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:far...@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 ===============================================
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