> On Sep 15, 2021, at 22:17 , Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml@arin.net>
> wrote:
>
> I think that should put to an all member vote on a matter like this.
> They have so many damn mailings, it is done on purpose so that they can say
> it was put out on this other mailing list.
> Either that or campaign for new board members. And John just as well be
> replaced also. He been there too long.
> My math doesn't match Owen's ? math either.
My math was based on modern internet protocols.
John’s math is correct… 2x fee = (mostly) 4x IPv4 in the current fee structure.
Owen
>
> From: "Mark McDonald" <ma...@siteserver.com>
> To: "John Curran" <jcur...@arin.net>
> Cc: "arin-ppml" <arin-ppml@arin.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 5:20:51 PM
> Subject: {Spam?} Re: [arin-ppml] Open Letter Regarding 650% Rate-Hike for
> Legacy Users
>
> Hi John,
>
> We must be looking at different fee charts. Can you send me the one
> you’re referring to? We hold a /19 and fall under the “Small” service
> category, paying roughly $0.12/IP/Year. Right off the bat, we’re in the same
> service category as someone holding a /18, so we’re paying twice as much per
> IPv4 Resource as them - but wait, it gets much, much better. Those holding a
> /8 are paying $0.0038/IP/Year - *64X* less than our company per IPv4
> resource. Someone over there failed math class if the goal was to level the
> costs among all users.
>
> If ARIN’s goal is to get everyone paying the same per/resource, our bill
> should go down to $31.13/year so we’re paying the same per resource as those
> issued /8’s. For an organization that’s trying to promote IP conservation,
> your metrics show you’re promoting the opposite - the larger the block, the
> less I pay.
>
> I broke it all down for you here:
>
> CIDR Number of IP's Service Category Fee Fee
> per/IPv4 (Resource) % of full cost (/24) per/resource
> /24 256 3X-Small
> $250.00 $0.9766
> /23 512 2X-Small
> $500.00 $0.9766 100.00%
> /22 1,024 2X-Small $500.00
> $0.4883 50.00%
> /21 2,048 X-Small $1,000.00
> $0.4883 50.00%
> /20 4,096 X-Small $1,000.00
> $0.2441 25.00%
> /19 8,192 Small $2,000.00
> $0.2441 25.00%
> /18 16,384 Small $2,000.00
> $0.1221 12.50%
> /17 32,768 Medium $4,000.00
> $0.1221 12.50%
> /16 65,536 Medium $4,000.00
> $0.0610 6.25%
> /15 131,072 Large $8,000.00
> $0.0610 6.25%
> /14 262,144 Large $8,000.00
> $0.0305 3.13%
> /13 524,288 X-Large $16,000.00
> $0.0305 3.13%
> /12 1,048,576 X-Large $16,000.00
> $0.0153 1.56%
> /11 2,097,152 2X-Large
> $32,000.00 $0.0153 1.56%
> /10 4,194,304 2X-Large
> $32,000.00 $0.0076 0.78%
> /9 8,388,608 3X-Large
> $64,000.00 $0.0076 0.78%
> /8 16,777,216 3X-Large
> $64,000.00 $0.0038 0.39%
> /7 33,554,432 4X-Large
> $128,000.00 $0.0038 0.39%
> /6 67,108,864 4X-Large
> $128,000.00 $0.0019 0.20%
>
> I sincerely hope ARIN re-thinks this before implementation. That’s what
> would be fair and equitable for all.
>
> -Mark McDonald
> President/CEO
> Siteserver, Inc.
>
>
> On Sep 15, 2021, at 1:05 PM, John Curran <jcur...@arin.net
> <mailto:jcur...@arin.net>> wrote:
>
> Mark -
>
> In April of this year, we announced a consultation on the matter of
> harmonizing ARIN’s fees and many of the issues you raised were discussed at
> that time on the ARIN-consult mailing list -
> https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-consult/2021-April/date.html
> <https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-consult/2021-April/date.html>
>
> As noted in that discussion, 3621 end-user customers will see their fees
> decrease as a result of change. 4431 end-users (those with larger IP address
> holdings) will see their fees increase. After the fee changes, all customers
> will be paying the same fees based on their total IPv4 resources held.
>
> Regarding ISP/EU fees distribution, note that ARIN’s expected total fees paid
> in 2021 are approximately $21 million – with ISP’s paying the overwhelming
> majority of the costs at approximately $17M annually.
>
> Thanks,
> /John
>
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>
>
>
> On 15 Sep 2021, at 3:21 PM, Mark McDonald <ma...@siteserver.com
> <mailto:ma...@siteserver.com>> wrote:
>
> Mr. Curran,
>
> It’s unfortunate to learn about ARIN’s proposal to increase our rates by 650%
> from one year to the next from your EMail. It would have been nice to
> receive this when this measure was being proposed. In looking through
> various member forums, it appears we aren’t alone. While I can appreciate
> your desire to standardize rates between End Users and ISP’s, it’s obvious
> that ARIN provides a different set of services for ISP’s as it does End
> Users. For us, ARIN stores < 50k of data in a database - similar to a Domain
> Registration from Network Solutions. They’re somehow able to perform these
> services for about $9/year. ARIN has historically charged us $300/year for
> this service, and is now raising rates by 650% to $2000.00/year. And for
> what? The IPv4 pool is depleted so there is no value in attempting to obtain
> additional IPv4 resources, while IPv6 resources are limitless, and are
> charged accordingly.
>
> For End Users, there are no ongoing SWIP assignments or ongoing actions from
> ARIN that require ARIN’s resources and for those that there are, ARIN charges
> for those services (new assignments, transfers, etc). We maintain numerous
> resources with ARIN through a different ISP account for resources used for
> ISP services and pay fees (and utilize services) accordingly.
>
> When ARIN, or any organizational body, sends out an email stating rates are
> raising 650%, it makes me question how an organization that could do
> something for a a set fee for so long suddenly can’t and needs to implement
> drastic measures to “recoup” these fees. It wreaks of inefficiency as ARIN’s
> number of resources managed is going up, not down and with any business, the
> cost to provide services goes down as the number of customers (resources)
> goes up.
>
> I was trying to look through the ARIN organizational documents and recent
> Annual Reports to see how ARIN’s income is represented (percentage of ISP vs
> End-User, RSP vs Non-RSP) as your Email lacks this important information,
> however I was unable to find this. It would be much appreciated if you could
> provide it. As a user of ARIN’s services, it would be nice to see exactly
> how much of a rate increase this is (increasing ARIN revenue) vs
> standardizing rates, which would re-rate *everybody* (raising some, lowering
> others) so that ARIN’s revenue remained neutral while equally balancing costs
> to provide services.
>
> In owning and operating businesses in the IT space, I’ve always viewed ARIN
> as a fair and equitable organization. Until today. Your email lacked
> critical information that would have shown this as a “standardization of
> rates” vs a rate hike on what appears to be all legacy customers. Perhaps
> the rates ARIN is charging them isn’t too low, but the rates you’re charging
> ISP’s is too high, or perhaps somewhere in between.
>
> >From the Emails I’ve already received from other parties this affects, it
> >appears the courts will ultimately decide what is legitimate and what is
> >not, however I feel this could have all been avoided with better
> >communication.
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Mark McDonald
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