Removing the program, with its criteria and fees, would not stop the practice. I will be the first to admit that, when I was on the ARIN board, I was completely against commercial brokerage of IP addresses, as a matter of principle. I believed that IP addresses, when no longer needed, should be returned to the RIR for redistribution as needed. Like phone numbers, for instance. Now, however, I believe that there is a reasonable market niche for a few brokers, and that ARIN keeping a check on bad behavior in that space is valuable.
-Bill > On Jun 2, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Michael B. Williams via ARIN-PPML > <arin-ppml@arin.net> wrote: > > I don’t see a reason to shut it down as it keeps at least some level of > standard and provides revenue for ARIN. > > But then again in completely against brokeraging IP addresses. So I could go > either way. > > On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 17:26 Dominik Dobrowolski > <dominikdobrowolski...@gmail.com> wrote: > If we are at it, > Why shouldn't we discuss openly whether to even keep facilitators program > alive? > > Dominik Dobrowolski, > dominet LLC > > On Thu, Jun 1, 2023, 10:32 PM Tom Fantacone <t...@iptrading.com> wrote: > I was a bit stunned this morning to see our organization's ARIN fees > would be going up by a factor of 10. We live in inflationary times, > but that's an increase of, let's see, I guess 1,000%? > > Before the rest of you resource holders on the list have a coronary, > let me qualify that this fee increase is for just for registered > facilitators (brokers) and most of you won't be affected. This > time. But the more general issue of ARIN raising fees in an > extravagant manner with no solicitation for public discussion of the > impact affects all of us. > > When ARIN began the facilitators' program the annual fee was just > $100. A few years later the fee was raised tenfold to $1,000. Today > we learned that another tenfold increase would go into effect making > our annual fee $10,000. So it's actually a 100-fold increase in > about a decade. > > Our own organization won't be too affected by this. We can handle > it, and most of the larger IP brokers can as well. It may even help > us by driving away some competition. But that shouldn't be the > point. There are smaller organizations that are facilitators that > will be severely impacted. We work with some of these and while they > may not handle the volume of transactions we do, they do an excellent > job in moving IPv4 resources to organizations that need them and > educating the parties along the way. > > There are some other changes to the facilitator program, including > requiring liability insurance for ARIN, background checks, customer > references, etc. I assume this is to keep some of the riff-raff out > and may be helpful. I don't see how outrageous fee increases help anyone. > > Other sharp fee increases have been brought up and complained about > on this list, always after the fact. The recent resource holder fee > increases that saw end user organizations suddenly treated as ISPs > comes to mind. Recently, transfer fees spiked from $300 to $500 per > transfer and were suddenly appled to source organizations in all > transfers (it used to be just transfers from end user orgs). As if > that wasn't enough, ARIN started charging transfer recipients an > additional transfer fee. I can tell you from first-hand experience > this hurt small organizations looking to acquire IPv4 blocks. > > I recommend ARIN transparently solicit public input when pondering > fee increases of such magnitude. Hopefully before our fee goes up > another 1,000%. > > Regards, > > Tom Fantacone > > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. _______________________________________________ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues.