Grandfathered in may not be the proper term but it is an active argument. Now John may not know this, but I received a large number of addresses in the USA through InterNIC when I was 12. It was justifiable and granted.
Restrictions, reverse dns and other problems came there after when ARIN was formed. Then I began to get threats for $2500 to $5000 but I refused to opt in. Does one exempt or simply apply new rules where you seem to have forcibly opted in… On Mon, Jul 13, 2026 at 8:46 AM John Curran <[email protected]> wrote: > Kat - > > That’s an excellent reminder - Let me jump in here and be fairly specific > in the concerns: > > a) Terminology: best to avoid term "grandfathering in” – it’s unnecessary > gerontological terminology so just omit. > > b) Regarding handling existing entries on the wait list – be explicit > regarding their handling if changing policies that affect wait list > processing. Entries on the list can be handled differently (out of respect > for existing status) or may handled according to updated policy – just be > clear about the intention either way. > > > Thanks! > /John > > John Curran > President and CEO > American Registry for Internet Numbers > > > On Jul 13, 2026, at 1:42 PM, Kat Hunter <[email protected]> wrote: > > I would highly recommend removing any language that refers to > "grandfathering in". Perhaps "will be exempt until they are removed from > the waitlist" but grandfathered in will not pass a staff and > legal/community review. We have seen this turned down for a number of > reasons in the past. > > Kat Hunter > Comcast/AC Chair > > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2026 at 12:54 PM Tom Fantacone via ARIN-PPML < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Correction - my last sentence should have read: >> >> "Using the term "transfer market" as in *Option 1 *is bound to create >> ambiguity since the term is not defined anywhere in the NRPM." >> >> Speaking of ambiguity... >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Tom Fantacone via ARIN-PPML <[email protected]> >> To: "Gerry George"<[email protected]> >> Cc: "ARIN PPML"<[email protected]> >> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2026 10:48:48 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Request for Comment & Feedback: Draft Policy >> ARIN-2025-3: Change Section 9 Out Of Region Use Minimum Criteria >> >> Gerry, >> >> Thanks for the clarifications. >> >> I support the policy as written in Option 2. It's very clear and >> explicit. >> >> Using the term "transfer market" as in Option 2 is bound to create >> ambiguity since the term is not defined anywhere in the NRPM. >> >> Regards, >> >> Tom Fantacone >> >> >> >> From: Gerry George via ARIN-PPML <[email protected]> >> To: "ARIN PPML"<[email protected]> >> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2026 08:11:45 -0600 >> Subject: [arin-ppml] Request for Comment & Feedback: Draft Policy >> ARIN-2025-3: Change Section 9 Out Of Region Use Minimum Criteria >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >> >> Good day and greetings, ARIN community. >> >> We had a suggestion for some modified text to the Draft Policy, primarily >> in response to feedback and reactions from ARIN 57 and PPML discussions, as >> many of the concerns related to potential gaming of the system to access >> the ARIN address pool for out-of-region use. The brief background and >> suggested change text is as follows: >> >> As a reminder, this proposal is to modify the following text in Section 9: >> >> * FROM: IPv4: At least a /22 used in region. >> * TO: IPv4: At least a /24 used in region. >> >> >> The intent is to amend the proposal, including text to specifically >> exclude out of region usage as justification to get IPv4 from the waiting >> list. >> >> Suggested text - Option 1: >> >> >> *Out of Region usage justification can only be used to acquire IPv4 >> addresses from the transfer market. Any organization on the Waiting List >> at the time this policy is implemented will be grandfathered-in.* >> Suggested text - Option 2: >> >> *Out of Region usage justification may not be used to receive IPv4 >> addresses from the ARIN Waitlist (4.1.8), Micro-allocation pool (4.4) or >> Dedicated IPv4 Allocation to facilitate IPv6 Deployment (4.10). Any >> organization on the Waiting List at the time this policy is implemented >> will be grandfathered-in.* >> >> The first option is shorter, and does not specifically refer to ARIN >> reserve pools, which could change. The second option does not include the >> term “transfer market”. That term does not appear in the NRPM, and >> directly mentions the waiting list. >> >> >> The full change to the policy will thus be: >> >> Problem Statement >> >> Section 9 >> <https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/nrpm/#9-out-of-region-use> of >> the NRPM, Out of Region Use, requires organizations to use at least a /22 >> in the ARIN region before they can justify out of region use. This harms >> smaller organizations that have less than a /22 in region but do require >> some out of region use. >> Policy Statement >> >> Modify the following text in Section 9 >> <https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/nrpm/#9-out-of-region-use>: >> FROM: >> IPv4: At least a /22 used in region. >> TO: >> IPv4: At least a /24 used in region. >> >> >> ADDITIONAL TEXT: >> >> Out of Region usage justification can only be used to acquire IPv4 >> addresses from the transfer market. >> Any organization already on the Waiting List at the time this policy is >> implemented will be exempted and shall remain eligible under the rules in >> effect at the time of its placement on the Waiting List. >> [Organizations on the Waiting List at the time this policy takes effect >> shall be exempted and will not be affected by this change.] >> >> OR >> >> Out-of-Region Usage Justification may not be used to receive IPv4 address >> space from the ARIN Waiting List (4.1.8), the Micro-allocation Pool (4.4), >> or the Dedicated IPv4 Block to Facilitate IPv6 Deployment (4.10). >> Any organization already on the Waiting List at the time this policy is >> implemented will be exempted and shall remain eligible under the rules in >> effect at the time of its placement on the Waiting List. >> [Organizations on the Waiting List at the time this policy takes effect >> shall be exempted and will not be affected by this change.] >> >> >> Note the text in square brackets suggests the intent of the last >> sentence, and may be considered for substitution for brevity. >> >> >> Please submit your comments of support, dissent, encouragement or >> disapproval for the policy, and for the proposed text changes. >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> *Gerry E. 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