On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 19:01:57 +0200, Jan Kratochvil 
 <jan.kratoch...@redhat.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 17:39:55 +0200, Gordan Bobic wrote:
>>  Can you elaborate as to why? My experience and measurements show 
>> that
>>  prelink does more harm than good more offten than not. I can think 
>> of a
>>  lot of reasons to not use it, and very few reasons to use it.
>
> It speeds up the program startup up to 50% (you can Google out 
> various
> benchmarks).

 I did, and found no definitive, reproducible results to support the 50% 
 claim. It certainly wasn't corroborated by my own measurements - last 
 time I tested what benefit it gives, the results were at best 
 inconclusive.

> As almost any performance feature it sure comes with more
> complexity of the ELF files handling.  The most easy ELF files 
> processing
> would be with -O0 code - so why do we build the programs with -O2?
>
> Nowadays some people do not consider performance as anything to care 
> about so
> in such case it is understandable they do not see a need for prelink.

 The only performance claims that are worth listening to are the ones 
 supported by evidence showing consistent and reproducible improvement - 
 and I have seen no such thing to support prelink recently.

 And I just thought of another reason to not use prelink, in addition to 
 tripwire/IDS issues and vserver's hashify feature - flash media. 
 Rewriting a large chunk of your binaries on a semi-regular basis isn't 
 going to help the longevity of a system running off cheap flash media, 
 as most ARMs are doing.

> It is true that if program is written in C it is usually fast enough.
> But specifically ARM may be the only popoular platform where I do not
> find the C programs fast enough, though.

 If we're going to argue the performance toss, rewriting yum in C would 
 be a good start toward addressing the eyewateringly big performance 
 issues. Compared to that, anything that prelink could possibly achieve 
 gets lost in the noise.

 To summarize - I'm unconvinced of the benefits of prelink. But I will 
 happily be persuaded otherwise by reasonably broad and repeatable 
 empirical evidence.

 Gordan
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