Hi Alex, I cannot point with conviction to any example of a Giffen consumption good and I don't consider it to be a very important consideration. My claim was not that any demand curves _do_ slope up, but that you want your students to know that it is a logical possibility and what is required for it to be true if for no other reason than to innoculate them against arguments that they may later here that assume only income effects. Also, I always make a point of mentioning Veblen goods since I do think that that is a real (though not very important) phenomena. I always found that if I didn't mention Veblen goods someone in the class would always raise the issue of snob appeal. When I taught principles I would always integrate policy relevant examples into all my discussions and not wait to the end of the course to cover "topics." For every concept I would give them a real world application of it. For i&s I did labor supply and income taxes. - - Bill
William T. Dickens The Brookings Institution 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, NW Washington, DC 20036 Phone: (202) 797-6113 FAX: (202) 797-6181 E-MAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AOL IM: wtdickens >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/12/03 12:36PM >>> I do agree that one of the few applications of i. and s. effects is to labor supply (this was mentioned in my first post). (This is because labor is one of the few goods where the income effect is likely to be large.) Hence that is the context in which I teach the material. It is appalling, therefore, that most textbooks teach i. and s. effects early on and leave labor supply to an entirely different part of the text. Bill, do you really mean to say that you think that Giffen goods are a real phenomena???! Even the classic, Irish potato famine has much better explanations (e.g. Rosen recent JPE) than in terms of Giffen goods. As to what to teach instead there are many choices e.g. most intermediate classes don't cover the Coase theorem or any law and economics, finance is another topic that could be taught more at the i. level. Alex -- Alexander Tabarrok Department of Economics, MSN 1D3 George Mason University Fairfax, VA, 22030 Tel. 703-993-2314 Web Page: http://mason.gmu.edu/~atabarro/ and Director of Research The Independent Institute 100 Swan Way Oakland, CA, 94621 Tel. 510-632-1366