I am damn sure ARR knows well that we as far as anyone loves his BGMs. But asking him or requesting him to do something convenient for us little too much... ( I feel )
Let us take this effort in extracting BGMs, . When we put efforts and enjoy... its more of a happinesss we will do it ... On 2/29/08, Pradeepan R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > is it possible for us to convey to ARR about our interest in listening > to VoiceLess BGM's ? > He might do the recording in such a way so that its possible to Rip it > voiceless. > Of course, in Hollywood, OST gets released as separate CD's .. that might > never happen in India.. > > > On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Gomzy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Dil ne Jise Apna Kaha and Lakeer Background scores are not by ARR. > > > > > > On 2/29/08, KrishnA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Hi all > > > > > > As kaissiom said, first we have to make a list of movies which need to > > > be ripped (for the purpose of BGMs), so in this regard, I have made a > > > list, > > > but I am very skeptical about the legitimacy of that, so all guys are > > > requested to update it for further purpose. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Krishna. > > > > > > > > > On 2/19/08, kaissiom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Voiceless BGMs - Explained! > > > > > > > > I'm not much of any expert on this topic, as I happened to > > > > accidentally or unintentionally discover the process of ripping > > > > voiceless > > > > BGMs. There may be members on this group who have expertise in this > > > > area > > > > who may be able to shed some more light on this topic. Following > > > > article is > > > > my limited understanding of this subject, please correct me if I am > > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > First, some definitions: > > > > * For the sake of discussion *L* refers to *Left* and *R* refers to > > > > *Right* (speakers) > > > > > > > > *Mono*: Single channel (no difference in L or R speaker, both > > > > reproduce one sound) > > > > *L speaker = R speaker = One sound from both.* > > > > *[Note]: Rahman has been very disappointed that 'Kabhi Na Kabhi' was > > > > recorded in stereo, but released in Mono.* > > > > > > > > *Stereo:* Two or more channels (generally two channel, separate > > > > recording/reproduction of sound, L and R) > > > > *L speaker: recorded/reproduced separately > > > > + R speaker: recorded/reproduced separately > > > > = 3 different sounds possible: L sound + Shared L/R sound + R sound* > > > > *[Note]: Think of it as a Venn diagram: Both L and R speakers > > > > reproduce same sound most of the time, but will also have variations of > > > > their own. Quite evident in 'Daud' - Title track, the entire track has > > > > variations in Left and Right channel.* > > > > > > > > *Stereo Surround*: 5.1 or higher (5 channels plus 1 LFE; > > > > Dolby-Digital,dts) > > > > *L Front speaker: recorded/reproduced separately > > > > +R Front speaker: recorded/reproduced separately > > > > +C Center speaker: recorded/reproduced separately > > > > +L Rear speaker: recorded/reproduced separately > > > > +R Rear speaker: recorded/reproduced separately > > > > +LFE Low-Frequency Effects(sub-woofer) > > > > = Surround Sound experience.* > > > > *[Note]: Most, but not all, DVD-Videos have 5.1 surround sound. And > > > > also the rare, but dying, DVD-Audio format falls in this category.* > > > > > > > > There's no limitation on the number of channels, I find some English > > > > movies with 7.1 surround sound , you can also buy a 10.1 sound > > > > systems, if you can find source to utilize those channels. > > > > > > > > Almost all Media formats can reproduce mono and stereo, but not > > > > surround: > > > > Cassette tapes: Stereo and Mono > > > > CD: Stereo and Mono > > > > VCD: Stereo and Mono > > > > *DVD: Surround*, Stereo and Mono > > > > > > > > *How does this relate to voiceless BGMs?* > > > > Voiceless BGMs are only possible from surround sound, given that > > > > they were recorded and reproduce as surround. So, that leaves us with > > > > DVD-Audio, which I won't get into, and DVD-Video, by which we mean > > > > regular > > > > DVD movies. > > > > * > > > > How are BGMs recorded on DVDs?* > > > > I don't know exactly, but that's up to the composer and the sound > > > > engineer. But in order to qualify as surround sound, they have to > > > > record > > > > different sounds for different channels. For example they may record > > > > actors' > > > > voices for the CENTER channel and the background score for the two-REAR > > > > speakers and a combination of both voices and score on the two-FRONT > > > > speakers (this is hypothetical, simple and straightforward example): > > > > *L/R Front* speakers: Combination/layers of both voices and > > > > background score > > > > *CENTER* speaker: Only voices > > > > *L/R Rear** *speakers: *Only background score* > > > > > > > > You can imagine watching a movie and an extra sound effect from > > > > back, or someone yelling from behind you or a car whooshing by. And > > > > remember, they can try many different combinations with 5 different > > > > channels. > > > > > > > > *How to extract voiceless BGMs?* > > > > Simply put, you have to tap into the channels that only contain the > > > > 'Background Score'. In the simple example given above, it would be the > > > > 'L/R Rear Speaker/Channel'. > > > > > > > > *How do kaissiom and AJ extract voiceless BGMs?* > > > > Well, I can't speak for AJ, but I know he uses some software. And > > > > as far as I'm concerned, I can write a longer post than this one trying > > > > to > > > > explain how I accidentally did it. My method is not all software- it's > > > > combination of hardware and software. I was fixing my computer and my > > > > home-theater system set-up, such that I can play the music from my > > > > computer > > > > on my surround sound system. This required additional cables, adapters, > > > > etc.. but I accidentally cut one wire and attached it in the wrong place > > > > somewhere on the soundcard and amplifier. And when I played a movie on > > > > my > > > > computer, all I could hear was voices, no BGM. When I switched some > > > > wires.. > > > > I got BGM, no voices... hence, voiceless BGMs. I still have to switch > > > > these > > > > wires... every time I have to extract voiceless BGMs ;-) > > > > * > > > > How can one extract voiceless BGMs?* > > > > *-[Software]*- Easiest way to do it: Find a DVD-ripping software > > > > that not only rips audio from DVD, but rips audio as separate channels. > > > > Once you have all the audio in different channels, keep the channel with > > > > BGM, discard the rest. > > > > *-[Hardware]*- Complicated way of doing it: Cut some wires from the > > > > surround sound system and record it from the amplifier - this is how I > > > > do > > > > it. It takes me about 5 to 6 hours to do a movie because I perform > > > > additional editing using software to enhance the quality. I use > > > > hardware(amplifier/soundcard) to extract the audio and then use > > > > software(SoundForge) to enhance it. > > > > * > > > > Are there any caveats?* > > > > As with everything... Yes. > > > > *-[Source]* The movie has to be recorded in surround sound. Older > > > > movies (Roja, Bombay, etc.), and surprisingly some newer movies are not > > > > recorded in surround sound... therefore, NO VOICELESS BGMs are possible > > > > - > > > > Ever. > > > > *-[Media]* Even if the movie was recorded in surround sound. You > > > > have to get hold of the DVD with 5.1 surround sound. VCD or a tape > > > > will not work. Some Indian DVDs just have the '5.1 Dolby Digital' > > > > stamp for the 'coolness' factor, and are not true surround sound. I > > > > have > > > > had this experience with Zubeidaa. In other words, there are some fake > > > > surround sound DVD out there, and they will not work - NO VOICELESS > > > > BGMs. > > > > *- [Application]* Finally, the application used to extract the BGMs > > > > should support surround sound. > > > > > > > > *What is 'Sync sound'?* > > > > Some movies, mostly newer ones are recorded in sync sound. Lagaan, > > > > Swades, RDB are all sync sound. Sync sound means actors' dialogues are > > > > recorded live while shooting the movie, actors do not have to go in for > > > > a > > > > 'lip sync' or 'dubbing' session after the movie. BMGs are added to the > > > > original dialogues. Usually, when movies are recorded in sync sound, > > > > we end > > > > up having crisp/clean surround sound... Voices are separte, BGM is > > > > separate > > > > as quite evident in Lagaan/Swades BGMs. When movie is not done in Sync > > > > sound, BGMs tend to be messy. Saathiya was done in Sync sound, where as > > > > disappointgly, Guru was not. When dubbing is done at the same time as > > > > BGMs > > > > are added, they tend to be layered together and we don't get the crisp > > > > clean > > > > voiceless BGMs. Extracting BGMs from Rajni movies is ever difficult, > > > > regardless of whether it's done in sync or not. The extra 'Rajni > > > > Effects' > > > > or the 'swoosh-whoosh' sound every time the superstar moves a finger... > > > > is > > > > added on top of the BGMs. > > > > > > > > Having said that, recent media reports suggested that Hrithik and > > > > Ash were in studios doing some voice recordings/dubbing... at around the > > > > same time reports of 'Rahman finishing up the BGM for Jodha Akbar' were > > > > cropping up. I really hope JA is done in Sync sound, otherwise the BGM > > > > could be tainted. > > > > > > > > Sorry for the long/dry post. Vithur and others have expressed great > > > > interest in this subject and I somehow come across as someone who is > > > > hiding > > > > something. How can a blind person (me) lead someone on a path? When I > > > > myself found the path accidentally and seem to be walking on it > > > > unknowingly. > > > > > > > > But there! The unguarded 'secret' is out, the knowledge does not > > > > just rest with me anymore. I feel like a great burden has been lifted > > > > off > > > > my shoulders, although I have touched on and explained this topics in > > > > various bits and pieces over time. > > > > > > > > Hopefully, I have cleared up some doubts here, and raised new ones.. > > > > As always, please feel free to contact me if you have any questions or > > > > corrections. > > > > > > > > I too believe that it will be a loss to Rahman fans, if we do not > > > > collect all the available voiceless BGMs out there. Therefore it is > > > > important to first establish how many such true surround sound DVDs > > > > exist > > > > out there. Once we establish that, we can see which ones have been > > > > extracted and which ones are pending. Then, we can go from there. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rahmaniac. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Cheers, > Pradeepan. > > "All you need to do is decide what to do with the time that is given to > you !" > > > -- regards, Vithur AIMING TO BE A TRUE RAHMANIAC
