can some den pls release the karaoke version from arr's 5.1 releases. coz in
singapore we cant get the 5.1 releases .
Gomzy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Raghu,
yes. you easily can.
On 2/29/08, arr_raghu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Kaissiom
Thanks for your efforts on Voice less BGM explanation.
Does this mean that we can make Koreoke tracks out of
5.1 releases of boys and sillinu oru kadal?
Regards
Raghu
--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Vithur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I am damn sure ARR knows well that we as far as anyone loves his
BGMs. But
> asking him or requesting him to do something convenient for us
little too
> much... ( I feel )
>
> Let us take this effort in extracting BGMs, . When we put efforts and
> enjoy... its more of a happinesss
>
> we will do it ...
>
>
> On 2/29/08, Pradeepan R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > is it possible for us to convey to ARR about our interest in
listening
> > to VoiceLess BGM's ?
> > He might do the recording in such a way so that its possible to Rip it
> > voiceless.
> > Of course, in Hollywood, OST gets released as separate CD's ..
that might
> > never happen in India..
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Gomzy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Dil ne Jise Apna Kaha and Lakeer Background scores are not by ARR.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2/29/08, KrishnA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi all
> > > >
> > > > As kaissiom said, first we have to make a list of movies which
need to
> > > > be ripped (for the purpose of BGMs), so in this regard, I have
made a list,
> > > > but I am very skeptical about the legitimacy of that, so all
guys are
> > > > requested to update it for further purpose.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Krishna.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 2/19/08, kaissiom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Voiceless BGMs - Explained!
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not much of any expert on this topic, as I happened to
> > > > > accidentally or unintentionally discover the process of
ripping voiceless
> > > > > BGMs. There may be members on this group who have expertise
in this area
> > > > > who may be able to shed some more light on this topic.
Following article is
> > > > > my limited understanding of this subject, please correct me
if I am wrong.
> > > > >
> > > > > First, some definitions:
> > > > > * For the sake of discussion *L* refers to *Left* and *R*
refers to
> > > > > *Right* (speakers)
> > > > >
> > > > > *Mono*: Single channel (no difference in L or R speaker, both
> > > > > reproduce one sound)
> > > > > *L speaker = R speaker = One sound from both.*
> > > > > *[Note]: Rahman has been very disappointed that 'Kabhi Na
Kabhi' was
> > > > > recorded in stereo, but released in Mono.*
> > > > >
> > > > > *Stereo:* Two or more channels (generally two channel, separate
> > > > > recording/reproduction of sound, L and R)
> > > > > *L speaker: recorded/reproduced separately
> > > > > + R speaker: recorded/reproduced separately
> > > > > = 3 different sounds possible: L sound + Shared L/R sound +
R sound*
> > > > > *[Note]: Think of it as a Venn diagram: Both L and R speakers
> > > > > reproduce same sound most of the time, but will also have
variations of
> > > > > their own. Quite evident in 'Daud' - Title track, the
entire track has
> > > > > variations in Left and Right channel.*
> > > > >
> > > > > *Stereo Surround*: 5.1 or higher (5 channels plus 1 LFE;
> > > > > Dolby-Digital,dts)
> > > > > *L Front speaker: recorded/reproduced separately
> > > > > +R Front speaker: recorded/reproduced separately
> > > > > +C Center speaker: recorded/reproduced separately
> > > > > +L Rear speaker: recorded/reproduced separately
> > > > > +R Rear speaker: recorded/reproduced separately
> > > > > +LFE Low-Frequency Effects(sub-woofer)
> > > > > = Surround Sound experience.*
> > > > > *[Note]: Most, but not all, DVD-Videos have 5.1 surround
sound. And
> > > > > also the rare, but dying, DVD-Audio format falls in this
category.*
> > > > >
> > > > > There's no limitation on the number of channels, I find some
English
> > > > > movies with 7.1 surround sound , you can also buy a 10.1 sound
> > > > > systems, if you can find source to utilize those channels.
> > > > >
> > > > > Almost all Media formats can reproduce mono and stereo, but not
> > > > > surround:
> > > > > Cassette tapes: Stereo and Mono
> > > > > CD: Stereo and Mono
> > > > > VCD: Stereo and Mono
> > > > > *DVD: Surround*, Stereo and Mono
> > > > >
> > > > > *How does this relate to voiceless BGMs?*
> > > > > Voiceless BGMs are only possible from surround sound, given that
> > > > > they were recorded and reproduce as surround. So, that
leaves us with
> > > > > DVD-Audio, which I won't get into, and DVD-Video, by which
we mean regular
> > > > > DVD movies.
> > > > > *
> > > > > How are BGMs recorded on DVDs?*
> > > > > I don't know exactly, but that's up to the composer and the
sound
> > > > > engineer. But in order to qualify as surround sound, they
have to record
> > > > > different sounds for different channels. For example they
may record actors'
> > > > > voices for the CENTER channel and the background score for
the two-REAR
> > > > > speakers and a combination of both voices and score on the
two-FRONT
> > > > > speakers (this is hypothetical, simple and straightforward
example):
> > > > > *L/R Front* speakers: Combination/layers of both voices and
> > > > > background score
> > > > > *CENTER* speaker: Only voices
> > > > > *L/R Rear** *speakers: *Only background score*
> > > > >
> > > > > You can imagine watching a movie and an extra sound effect from
> > > > > back, or someone yelling from behind you or a car whooshing
by. And
> > > > > remember, they can try many different combinations with 5
different
> > > > > channels.
> > > > >
> > > > > *How to extract voiceless BGMs?*
> > > > > Simply put, you have to tap into the channels that only
contain the
> > > > > 'Background Score'. In the simple example given above, it
would be the
> > > > > 'L/R Rear Speaker/Channel'.
> > > > >
> > > > > *How do kaissiom and AJ extract voiceless BGMs?*
> > > > > Well, I can't speak for AJ, but I know he uses some
software. And
> > > > > as far as I'm concerned, I can write a longer post than this
one trying to
> > > > > explain how I accidentally did it. My method is not all
software- it's
> > > > > combination of hardware and software. I was fixing my
computer and my
> > > > > home-theater system set-up, such that I can play the music
from my computer
> > > > > on my surround sound system. This required additional
cables, adapters,
> > > > > etc.. but I accidentally cut one wire and attached it in the
wrong place
> > > > > somewhere on the soundcard and amplifier. And when I played
a movie on my
> > > > > computer, all I could hear was voices, no BGM. When I
switched some wires..
> > > > > I got BGM, no voices... hence, voiceless BGMs. I still have
to switch these
> > > > > wires... every time I have to extract voiceless BGMs ;-)
> > > > > *
> > > > > How can one extract voiceless BGMs?*
> > > > > *-[Software]*- Easiest way to do it: Find a DVD-ripping software
> > > > > that not only rips audio from DVD, but rips audio as
separate channels.
> > > > > Once you have all the audio in different channels, keep the
channel with
> > > > > BGM, discard the rest.
> > > > > *-[Hardware]*- Complicated way of doing it: Cut some wires
from the
> > > > > surround sound system and record it from the amplifier -
this is how I do
> > > > > it. It takes me about 5 to 6 hours to do a movie because I
perform
> > > > > additional editing using software to enhance the quality. I use
> > > > > hardware(amplifier/soundcard) to extract the audio and then use
> > > > > software(SoundForge) to enhance it.
> > > > > *
> > > > > Are there any caveats?*
> > > > > As with everything... Yes.
> > > > > *-[Source]* The movie has to be recorded in surround sound.
Older
> > > > > movies (Roja, Bombay, etc.), and surprisingly some newer
movies are not
> > > > > recorded in surround sound... therefore, NO VOICELESS BGMs
are possible -
> > > > > Ever.
> > > > > *-[Media]* Even if the movie was recorded in surround sound.
You
> > > > > have to get hold of the DVD with 5.1 surround sound. VCD or
a tape
> > > > > will not work. Some Indian DVDs just have the '5.1 Dolby
Digital'
> > > > > stamp for the 'coolness' factor, and are not true surround
sound. I have
> > > > > had this experience with Zubeidaa. In other words, there
are some fake
> > > > > surround sound DVD out there, and they will not work - NO
VOICELESS BGMs.
> > > > > *- [Application]* Finally, the application used to extract
the BGMs
> > > > > should support surround sound.
> > > > >
> > > > > *What is 'Sync sound'?*
> > > > > Some movies, mostly newer ones are recorded in sync sound.
Lagaan,
> > > > > Swades, RDB are all sync sound. Sync sound means actors'
dialogues are
> > > > > recorded live while shooting the movie, actors do not have
to go in for a
> > > > > 'lip sync' or 'dubbing' session after the movie. BMGs are
added to the
> > > > > original dialogues. Usually, when movies are recorded in
sync sound, we end
> > > > > up having crisp/clean surround sound... Voices are separte,
BGM is separate
> > > > > as quite evident in Lagaan/Swades BGMs. When movie is not
done in Sync
> > > > > sound, BGMs tend to be messy. Saathiya was done in Sync
sound, where as
> > > > > disappointgly, Guru was not. When dubbing is done at the
same time as BGMs
> > > > > are added, they tend to be layered together and we don't get
the crisp clean
> > > > > voiceless BGMs. Extracting BGMs from Rajni movies is ever
difficult,
> > > > > regardless of whether it's done in sync or not. The extra
'Rajni Effects'
> > > > > or the 'swoosh-whoosh' sound every time the superstar moves
a finger... is
> > > > > added on top of the BGMs.
> > > > >
> > > > > Having said that, recent media reports suggested that
Hrithik and
> > > > > Ash were in studios doing some voice recordings/dubbing...
at around the
> > > > > same time reports of 'Rahman finishing up the BGM for Jodha
Akbar' were
> > > > > cropping up. I really hope JA is done in Sync sound,
otherwise the BGM
> > > > > could be tainted.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry for the long/dry post. Vithur and others have
expressed great
> > > > > interest in this subject and I somehow come across as
someone who is hiding
> > > > > something. How can a blind person (me) lead someone on a
path? When I
> > > > > myself found the path accidentally and seem to be walking on
it unknowingly.
> > > > >
> > > > > But there! The unguarded 'secret' is out, the knowledge does not
> > > > > just rest with me anymore. I feel like a great burden has
been lifted off
> > > > > my shoulders, although I have touched on and explained this
topics in
> > > > > various bits and pieces over time.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hopefully, I have cleared up some doubts here, and raised
new ones..
> > > > > As always, please feel free to contact me if you have any
questions or
> > > > > corrections.
> > > > >
> > > > > I too believe that it will be a loss to Rahman fans, if we
do not
> > > > > collect all the available voiceless BGMs out there.
Therefore it is
> > > > > important to first establish how many such true surround
sound DVDs exist
> > > > > out there. Once we establish that, we can see which ones
have been
> > > > > extracted and which ones are pending. Then, we can go from
there.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Rahmaniac.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > Pradeepan.
> >
> > "All you need to do is decide what to do with the time that is
given to
> > you !"
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> regards,
> Vithur
>
> AIMING TO BE A TRUE RAHMANIAC
>
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