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--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, V S Rawat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 7/19/2008 6:06 PM India Time, _rayrai2k_ wrote:
> 
> > Take Lagaan.. wasn't the picurization the best? AG had given 
> > importance to every note of ARR. The use of Lezims in Ghanan.. the 
> > multiple voice for multiple actors. Radha kaise na Jale so far the 
> > best... O re Chori you might have to look for once again.
> > I had always felt ARR when he works with AG that if ARR gives a 
> > virtual visualization AG give the sound felt through visuals. They 
> > collaborate very well with each other.. Think of Khwajaji. Azeemo 
> > Shaanshansha was indeed well pictuarized. The righ instuments were 
> > brought to the foreground when the sound appeared. Though 
> > Jashnebahara & Manmohana came in parts it was picuarized with a 
> > proper background. So no critic ever said the songs slowed down the 
> > movie as they did for GURU. Dont you remember how many critics ARR's 
> > music was a speed breaker? pal pal hain bhaari was given proper 
> > justice. I liked the way Saawariyan  was done it was more touching. 
> > Try to remember the sequence for Yeh jo des the scene just before 
> > that He was in other words did justice for songs. 
> 
> yaar, what exactly would be a good picturization?
> 
> I think where something difference is there, where some creativity,
some 
> imagination is there, that would be a good picturization.
> 
> Lagaan:
> 
> ghanan ghanan
> - a group of villagers singing, as is 100s of songs
> 
> mitwa
> - it was good :-)
> 
> radha kaise na jale
> - hero/ heroine singing and dancing, as is 1000s of songs
> 
> o rey chhori
> - hero/ heroine singing, as is 1000s of songs. But that switch to the 
> English part of british lady was good.
> 
> chale chalo
> - a group of guys singing, as is 1000s of songs
> 
> Waltz For A Romance
> - a dance sequence. It was superb. created the exact atmosphere of
those 
> times.
> 
> o paalanhare
> - a prayer, like in 100s of songs.
> 
> So, how many came out as good, though it is my personal opinion.
> 
> See, songs were good, beautiful, great. They were so great that only if 
> just buffalos were shown on the screen, it would have sounded good. 
> Radha Kaise Na jale was beautifully conceived - as a song. Chale
Chalo's 
> feel was greatly motivating - as a song, Palanhare was so lovely, soft, 
> touching - as a song.
> 
> But if you press the mute button on your TV/ PC while these sequences 
> are running on screen and you don't get to listen the song part and see 
> only visual, what great do you find in that visual to call it great 
> picturization.
> 
> As I said, Mitwa would still appear good even in mute, Waltz sequence 
> would still appear good even in mute, O rey Chhori's switching to and 
> back from British lady part would still appear good.
> 
> But if you play some Anu Malik or Kalyanji AnandJi or Laxmikant
Pyarelal 
> on your song player while these videos are playing on mute, would you 
> still like the visual, giving concessions for the mismatch?
> 
> no way. There was hardly any creativity, no imagination in these songs' 
> picturization. the visuals would not keep you engaged on their own 
> strengths. It was just the magic brought by the songs that made you
like 
> even those ordinary, already-used-in-1000s of films visuals.
> --
> 
> If you still don't get what I am saying. Compare guru.
> 
> See all the songs in mute. And you are still captivated just seeing
what 
> is happening in the visuals. Right?
> 
> There were no great sets in Guru as Shankar would have used, no extra 
> effort was made in Guru to create an attention grabbing background - 
> like Mani himself used in Dil Se Rey - all that fire and winds and 
> leaves and jungle.
> 
> Still, Guru's visuals, even in day to day situation, have a life of 
> their own. Such visuals are good picturization and add to the beauty of 
> songs if song is good, and song adds beauty to the visual and the total 
> synergy is breathtaking.
> 
> Raat Bhar Diya Jale, see it on mute and you are still captivated.
> 
> So, I hope I have clarified that AG didn't use good visual in his 
> earlier films also, let alone in JA. It was AG who was stealing the 
> beauty of the music to add a life to his mediocre visuals.
> 
> -- 
> V
>


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