This is a very old website and the topic has been discussed a million times before. Kindly check the archives.
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 9:18 AM, pratap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What should I say when people say ARR lifted songs? Harris Jeyaraj is > often accused as no1 copy cat. He actually uses BGMs of other songs into his > but the tune of the song remains original. His latest song Mundhinam from > Vaaranam Aayiram used the same guitar BGM from George Michael's Faith. And > there MANY more such examples. The point is ARR did the EXACTLY the same > thing with a couple of songs. If Harris is a copy cat because of these, then > ARR will be the same too. That is not what we want > > *A R Rahman [Tamil]* > *1* *Hello Mr. ethirkatchi [Film: Iruvar]* The opening piano part > definitely inspired. Source: Dave Grusin's Memphis Stomp, from the OST of > The Firm, released in 1993. Listen to Hello Mr. > Ethirkatchi<http://www.itwofs.com/audio/helloMr-iruvar.rm>| Memphis > Stomp <http://www.itwofs.com/audio/memphisstomp.rm> Genuine copy wrt the > piano intro sequence. But the actual tune of the song remains original. * > 2* *Kuluvalile [Film: Muthu]* The background rythm and beats inspired > from the song 'rescue me' by Fontella Bass. The song was part of the OST of > the film 'Sister Act', released in 1965. Listen to > Kuluvalile<http://www.itwofs.com/audio/kuluvaliley-Muthu.rm>| Rescue me The > rythm has been used. However, the tune of the song remains original. *3* > *Akkadannu naanga [Film: Indian]* Again, the background beats are > inspired. Source: Paul Young's 'Love of common people', from the album 'No > Parlez', released in 1983. Listen to Akkadannu | Love of common > people<http://www.itwofs.com/audio/loveofcommonpeople.rm> Oh > sure, the beats are copied. Tune original! *4* *Anbae anbae [Film: > Jeans] * The opening sequence seems inspired from Peter Gabriel's 'Of > these, hope...' from the album 'Passion: Music from the last temptation of > Christ'. Listen to anbae anbae | Of these, hope > <http://www.itwofs.com/audio/ofthesehope.rm> Is A R Rahman a fan of Peter > Gabriel? Tune is original! *5* *Shakalaka Baby [Film: Mudhalvan] * The > rhythm loop with an underground feel is also found in the track 'Flight IC > 408' by State of Bengal and the track 'Aint talkin bout dub' by Apollo 440. > Listen > to Shakalaka Baby <http://www.itwofs.com/audio/shakalaka-mudhalvan.rm> | > Flight > IC 408 <http://www.itwofs.com/audio/Flight_IC_408_State_of_Bengal.rm> | Aint > talkin bout dub <http://www.itwofs.com/audio/Aint_talkin_about_dub.rm> > Possibly > a commercially available loop, done with some improvisations by Rahman. The > loop appears almost throughout the Apollo 440 track and at places in Flight > IC 408. Actual song's tune original. *6* *Thillana thillana [Film: > Muthu] * The opening African female humming is ripped off from Deep > Forests 'Night Bird'. Listen to Thillana > thillana<http://www.itwofs.com/audio/thillana-muthu.rm>| Night > bird <http://www.itwofs.com/audio/NightBird_DeepForest.rm> Oh sure, > ripped. Just that initial humming part. But if Deep Forest can rip off > native African sounds....! *7* *Poopookkum osai [Film: Minsara Kanavu] * The > beats seem inspired from Lebo M's 'Rhythm of pride lands: Kube', which was > last part of the Disney's Greatest Pop hits collection. Listen to Poopookkum > osai <http://www.itwofs.com/audio/poopookkum-minsara.rm> | Rhythm of pride > lands: Kube <http://www.itwofs.com/audio/RhythmOfThePrideLands.rm> The > beats are sure inspired. As usual the tune remains very original. *8* > *Thenmerku > paruvakkaatru [Film: Karuthamma] * The beats are similar to a track by Dr > Alban, 'Om we rembwe ike'. Note that Dr Alban himself uses a lot of > commercially available loops and CDs to create songs! Listen to Thenmerku > paruvakaatru <http://www.itwofs.com/audio/Themerku-Karuthamma.rm> | Om we > rembwe ike <http://www.itwofs.com/audio/OmWeRembweIke-Opening-DrAlban.rm> The > beats are sure inspired. As usual the tune remains very original. The 'yei > nee romba azhaga irukke' song, 'Poi > sollalaam<http://www.itwofs.com/audio/PoiSollalaam-YNRAI.rm>' > uses similar beats! *9* *Paarkadhey [Film: Gentleman (1993)] * Alleged > to be inspired from the Osibisa number 'Kelele' Listen to > Paarkadhey<http://www.itwofs.com/audio/PaarkadhePaarkadhe-Gentleman.rm>| > Kelele <http://www.itwofs.com/audio/Osibisa-Kelele.rm> You decide! *10* > *Ekamevadhvitheeyam** - Theme music from Baba [Film: Baba] * Inspired from > the the background music of The Untouchables (1987). Listen to > Ekamevadhvitheeyam<http://www.itwofs.com/audio/Ekamevadhvitheeyam-Baba.rm>| Al > Capone <http://www.itwofs.com/audio/AlCapone-TheUntouchables.rm> (The > Untouchables) 'Ekamevadhvitheeyam' means "*there is only one paramatma, > no second entity*". This song opens almost exactly like the prominent > score from the cult classic 'The Untouchables' with music by Ennio > Morricone. Why Rahman chose to lift this so blatantly really beats me, even > if figures in Baba for a few fleeting seconds! In the soundtrack of The > Untouchables, this tune plays almost throughout the movie, more so for the > softer/sadder moments! I'm adding the track called 'Al Capone' which > probably brings out the copy best, in my opinion! *Tip: Play the Baba > number in full volume, the opening plays in very low volume!* *1*1 > Ottagatha > Kattikko* [Film: Gentleman (1993)] * Highly inspired by Raj Koti's Telugu > pop song 'Eddem ante' sung by Malgadi Shuba, in 1991. Listen to Ottagatha > Kattikko <http://www.itwofs.com/audio/OttagathaKattikko-Gentleman.rm> | Eddem > ante <http://www.itwofs.com/audio/EddemAnte-MalgadiShuba.rm> Malgadi > Shuba's 1991 Telugu pop song, 'Eddem Ante Teddam Antav', from the album > 'Chik pak chik bam', with music by Raj Koti, seems to be the source of > inspiration for Rahman's superhit Gentleman song, 'Ottakatha Kattikko'. The > first 2 lines' flow, that is, nothing more. And, considerably spruced up in > Rahman style, of course! I recall reading Rahman's apprenticeship as an > arranger for other composers like Ilayaraja, Ousepachan and Raj Koti, so a > connection cannot be ruled out as a coincidence. Plus, I'm not getting into > a guessing game which points to Rahman composing this tune originally for > Raj Koti since that's merely a conjecture! > > There's another long-standing allegation that the Gentleman track was in > fact inspired by a much older Malayalam song, 'Kuyiline thedi' from the 1954 > film, 'Neelakkuyil', with music by Raghavan K. I personally do not find that > direct a connection between this one and Ottagatha Kattikko. Plus, the Raj > Koti apprenticeship angle perhaps gives more weight to the Telugu pop song > connection. My opinion? Far-fetched. No similarity strong enough to warrant > a post here. But, I'd let you decide! > Listen to Kuyiline > thedi<http://www.itwofs.com/audio/KuyilineThedi-Neelakkuyil.rm> > > http://www.itwofs.com/tamil-arr.html > > > How should I explain to anyone who points out this songs? Are they legally > done? Would like to hear some good explanation. I BELIEVE THIS IS DONE > LEGALLY BUT WOULD LIKE SOME OFFICIAL CONFIRMATION FROM SENIORS AND > KNOWLEDGABLE PEOPLE FROM THIS GROUP. > > PLEASE DON'T STRAIGHT AWAY START SAYING THINGS AT ME AS I TOO LOVE ARR AND > HIS MUSIC AS MUCH AS ANYONE ELSE HERE DO. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE ARR CAN'T > BE ACCUSED OF PLAGIARISM. > > >
