Karthikeya was saying it is Shuddha Dhanyasi, and Pankaj was saying it is a transition between Sooryaa and Hindolam...
So, I looked up what others may perhaps be offering as the diagnosed raga for this song: Ramesh does a detailed breakdown: http://rameshonmusic.blogspot.com/2005/12/raa-raa.html Quoting, "This song, from Chandramukhi, is set in F minor (4 kattai). Sudhadhanyasi in F minor is F G# A# C D# F (or) Sa Ga2 Ma1 Pa Ni2 Sa, whereas the scale of this song is F G# A# C E F (or) Sa Ga2 Ma1 Pa Ni3 Sa - Just a half note difference. This scale is the same as "Sindhiya venmani" song in a Vijayakanth film. I read somewhere that this scale is the Srothaswini raga." Then in the second charanam, the scale is said to shift to Hindolam... Which means that Pankaj noticed the Hindolam aspect of the song, while Karthikeya noticed the Shuddha Dhanyasi aspect... But where is the "Sooryaa" Raga coming from? This sort of thing, I am finding is quite common... that two people would insist that a song is two different ragas, when infact, the song has both ragas within it. "Kannodu Kanbethelam" from Jeans is a great example. It is both Shuddha Dhanyasi and Abheri. Not one, or the other, but both. In the end, from what Ramesh is saying Raa Raa from Chandramukhi, as far as the pallavi is concerned, is more Srothaswini Raga than it is anything else. However, we cannot stop here. We must investigate thoroughly... If you check the forumhub: http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=5536 Someone lists Raa Raa as "Beautiful song in Surya/sallaapam (with Hindolam for happy parts)"... But hang on... someone named Subu interjects and explains: "This raga is NOT surya. I think the confusion is in the interpretation of where you think the "Sa" is. The starting of the song is actually "Ni Sa Ga", while you seem to interpret it as "Ga Ma Dha". I would classify this raga into the pentatonic scale "sa ga ma pa ni sa" notes of gowrimanohari as the parent scale. I am not sure if there is a known classical raga for this scale, but this raga has been used by film musicians. For instance, Ilayaraja's "vellai nilaa irandum vellai nilaa" follows the same raga." So.. anyone know the Raga for IRR's "Vellai Nila Irandum"? Ok, but don't stop there... keep investigating... make sure... Looking up a review of the Chandramukhi film's music: http://www.mouthshut.com/review/Chandramukhi_Album-72019-1.html The reviewer states about Raa Raa: "Raa -- Raa''- The song is in telugu and is probably the climax song- Don't ask me why it is in telugu- I don't want to spoil your fun if you haven't seen the original. In malayalam, this song was ''oru murai vanthu'' based on the beautiful kuntalavarali ragam. Vidyasagar has used the rare raaga Surya." So, it seems that looking at the song at face value, without indepth analysis, to assume it is Surya raga may be an obvious error that can be made. So, after all that... what raga is Raa Raa? :-) A difficult one, definetely. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Vajra" <dianic_dre...@...> wrote: > > Oh, and while we are at it... so far I have come across two sources that say > that "Porkalam" from film Thenali, is Raga Kedar. However, Pankaj insists > it's Shuddha Dhanyasi... and Karthikeya says it's Dharbari Kannada... > > What's going on? > > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Pankaj 4 Music <pankajformusic@> wrote: > > > > hi karthikeya > > > > Yes it is Porkalam in Thenali is Shuddha Dhanyaasi. And Raa Raa in C'Muki > > is a combination of two raagaas thats Sooryaa & HindhoLham (This Sooryaa > > raag also called as Raag Sallaabam in certain usage of Swaraas). And for > > dharbari kaanadaa i will say Malarae Mounamaa a class melody by Vidyasagar > > for Karnaa Movie sung by SPB & S.Janaki. I like to share one of famous > > Ilayaraja's composition of Pure Sooryaa Raag from the tamil film Thaai > > Moogaambigai (movie on goddess shakthi) where there ll be a competition in > > classical concert singing between Manorama & Sarithaa on stage. Manorama > > character influenced by jealous & greediness & sarithaa a devotee of the > > goddess when she could not sing in half way of the concert due to the mix > > of poison in coffee done by manorama, Goddess shakthi comes to her rescue > > in the form of K.R.Vijaya. The wonderful thing is....., the song sung by > > three great singers of yesteryears. S.Janaki for Saritha, P.Susheela for > > K.R.Vijaya & S.Rajeswari for > > Manorama. Class song that I want Rahman to do a song in that Raag Sooryaa. > > Hope someone close to him....., place such request on our behalf. pnkJ :-) > > > > > > > > karthikeya murthy <smartjkm@> wrote: > > > > hi pankaj r u sure it is suddha dhanyasi... if i m correct both > > the songs are based on DHARBARI KANNADA... a typical example for suddha > > dhanyasi is RA RA from Chandramukhi... > > > > with regards > > > > KArthikeyamurthy.J >
