Ah.  Well, I can sure sympathize with you then.  Learning Remedy isn't
hard when you have some means of reference, but it is pretty daunting
when you don't.

Rick


-----Original Message-----
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carl Reenus
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:27 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: OT: Lazy posters

We did not have a support contract at that time, so no I was not able to
download the manuals.



>From: Rick Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
>To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
>Subject: Re: OT: Lazy posters
>Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 10:02:02 -0700
>
>Training I can certainly understand - sometimes employers are too cheap
>to send their people to training.  How was it that you were without
>manuals?  Were you unable to download them?
>
>Rick
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carl Reenus
>Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:44 AM
>To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
>Subject: Re: OT: Lazy posters
>
>Exactly!  I was without a manual or training for several weeks when I
>first started.
>
>
> >From: Warren Baltimore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> >To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> >Subject: Re: OT: Lazy posters
> >Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 08:56:41 -0700
> >
> >Personally, I'd rather like to see a little less scolding and a
little
>more
> >helping.  Nobody knows what this person's situation is, whether or
not
>they
> >have a manual (or for that matter any experience with ARS).
> >
> >
> >On 5/9/06, Rick Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>Preach it, brother!  I'm not the admin, nor am I Claire (there could
> >>only one Claire!), so I'll let others admonish people like Carl to
> >>actually contribute something before insulting longtime and
>substantial
> >>contributors like Phil.
> >>
> >>But Phil and Gidd are right, and it's high time for some people to
get
>a
> >>wake-up call with a clue-by-4.
> >>
> >>** DISCLAIMER **  This does NOT apply to about 98% of the posters to
> >>this list.  This is not telling newbies "Go away".  This is not an
> >>attempt to scare anyone away.  My stated comments are my own.
> >>
> >>Here's the progression, for those apparently new to such processes.
> >>
> >>1) You encounter a problem with a Remedy product.
> >>2) You try to fix it yourself.
> >>3) You seek help from your co-workers (if any).
> >>4) You read the manuals and check the Remedy KB to see if there's
some
> >>tidbit of information that might help with that process.
> >>5) Repeat steps 2-4 at least until the most apparent solutions have
>been
> >>tried.
> >>6) You contact Remedy Support and/or the list.
> >>7) You (probably) receive help from Remedy Support and/or the list.
> >>
> >>The ARSList is here to help people who have first made a substantial
> >>effort to help themselves.  It is intended to be an aid to, not a
> >>substitute for, learning how to do your job.  While we were all
>newbies
> >>at some point, and we don't mind helping other newbies gain
>experience,
> >>there are a few people, including several from an offshore
>organization,
> >>who have shown a consistent pattern of asking basic questions to the
> >>list instead of taking the time to read the manuals provided with
the
> >>product, and to actually grow their skills beyond that of newbie.
> >>
> >>Were I one of these few individuals, or an employee of this
> >>organization, I would hope that I would do what most posters do here
-
> >>display to the rest of my professional community that I had the
skills
> >>and initiative to at least learn to code my way out of a wet paper
bag
> >>with a map, a knife, and a flashlight.  Remedy isn't THAT hard to
>learn.
> >>
> >>Executive Summary: Please respect the time of those who are trying
to
> >>help others by trying to help yourself first.
> >>
> >>Sergeant-at-Arms:  Haul these miscreants away...  :)
> >>
> >>Rick
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
> >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gidd Calden
> >>Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:12 AM
> >>To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> >>Subject: Re: Pager Notifications.
> >>
> >>Carl,
> >>
> >>Do you mean that physically or verbally ?
> >>
> >>In defense of Phil, and he needs no defense, he makes a good Point.
> >>
> >>While it is often easier to ask a question on the list, perhaps
that
> >>should be preceded by the requestor's research including looking at
a
> >>manual once in awhile.  There are more then a few listers that have
a
> >>tendency to ask a question and then wait for the reply and not do
any
> >>self  help on their side....  YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE !
> >>
> >>Claire, chime in here if I am to far out in left field?  Doh !!
> >>
> >>Has Remedy stopped shipping pdf guides, manuals and reference
>materials
> >>now?
> >>
> >>My .02
> >>
> >>Regards...Gidd
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
> >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carl Reenus
> >>Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 5:40 AM
> >>To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> >>Subject: Re: Pager Notifications.
> >>
> >>Ha, what an ass!
> >>
> >>
> >> >From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >Reply-To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> >> >To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> >> >Subject: Re: Pager Notifications.
> >> >Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 23:05:45 -0400
> >> >
> >> >Got a manual?  Ever read it?  Been to training?  We have, try it.
> >> >-----Original message-----
> >> >From: Mallikharjunudu_Chidella [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >Date: Mon,  8 May 2006 22:36:21 -0400
> >> >To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> >> >Subject: Pager Notifications.
> >> >
> >> >:-) Hi list,
> >> >:-)
> >> >:-)
> >> >:-) SLA have 2 notification one is "Email" and the other is
"Pager".
> >> >Email
> >> >:-) Notification can be created using "Send Alert or Email" and
for
> >> >pager we :-) should use "Send Page or Run Process" option to
create
> >> >pager :-) notification through command line statement to send a
page
>or
> >>
> >> >run an :-) executable.
> >> >:-)
> >> >:-) Can you please let me know about the command line statement to
>be
> >> >given
> >> >:-) in the "Send Page or Run Process" for the pager notification.
> >> >:-)
> >> >:-) Thanks in  advance. :o)
> >> >:-)
> >> >:-) Thanks
> >> >:-)
> >> >:-) Malli
> >> >:-)
> >> >:-)
> >> >:-)
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