This is very true.  The least expensive digital system sounds better than all 
but the most expensive analog equipment.  The media lasts longer, and is easier 
to duplicate for archival purposes.

And if you like the "warmth" and "natural distortion" of the older gear, amp 
and preamp modeling is a slam-dunk, with the ability to digitally mimic the 
sound characteristics of virtually any of the vintage setups, with great 
fidelity.


Yours truly,

Charles H. Roberts, 4th
Customer Service Manager (CSM)
Riverside County Information Technology (RCIT)
Office:  951-486-7780
   Cell:  951-840-8699
 eMail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


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On Behalf Of Brian Goralczyk
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 10:41 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: OT: Friday (strange) humor

**
I have heard that argument before.   My question is this, for the average 
person, spending less than 3000 dollars, which one really sounds better.  And 
also the average person is not going to maintain their vinyl well enough to 
keep out the pops.

I opt for durability and portability.  In fact, when I got my first demo of a 
new technology (Cd's) the guy proved how durable they were by throwing them 
against walls and actually driving over one.  Granted if you spin your tires it 
won't last, but you couldn't do any of that with vinyl or tapes.  Seemed pretty 
cool to me.  And now they have solid memory players so that you can abuse them 
in other ways and they keep on ticking.  But I chuckle every time I see a 
jogger with a micro drive mp3 player.

Technology is a gain, but with every choice, there are sacrifices.
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Kaiser Norm E CIV USAF 96 CS/SCCE <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
Yeah...while on that note, there are still many old school enthusiasts
who make strong arguments that in many, many applications the best
analog devices still trump the best digital devices.

I have friends who insist that the sound produced by clean vinyl on a
top-of-the-line turntable still beats the sound produced by the best CD
player.

-----Original Message-----
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>] On Behalf Of Drew 
Shuller
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 11:52 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
Subject: Re: OT: Friday (strange) humor

**
If anyone would like to know, vacuum tubes are still a really big deal
for audiophiles and for people in the music biz. This is because people
who care generally agree that the sound of tube amplification is
subjectively better than the sound of solid state amplification, with a
few exceptions.

Guitar players like them because tubes produce better-sounding
distortion, with a rounded sound-wave rather than the jagged sound wave
that an overdriven solid state circuit would produce. All-tube amps are
favorites. Some of them are quite old and some of them are new, but
they're all pretty darned heavy. Sometimes the pre-amp circuit (the one
that gets overdriven) will be tube and then the real amplification
circuit will be solid-state, but for that good, slightly crunchy attack,
you need all-tube. Also, singers and recording engineers will use
microphones with an internal pre-amp which contains an itty-bitty vacuum
tube. These sound "warmer."

Audiophiles also like the warm sound that tubes give. Some of the most
heaviest, most expensive, and esoteric amplifiers are all-tube,
rendering units that cost tens of thousands of dollars. Each channel
gets a separate amplifier. They turn these things on and leave them on
for the life of the unit...if they are seriously bonkers audiophiles,
that is.

Anyway, the move to solid-state equipment created a "tube crisis" for
lots of guitar players and amplifier manufacturers. Crisis was averted
when the industry found a ready source for vacuum tubes: Russia. They
still had plenty of crap that ran on them!

Drew
Tulsa, OK

       -----Original Message-----
       From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>]On Behalf Of Grooms, 
Frederick W
       Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 11:22 AM
       To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
       Subject: Re: OT: Friday (strange) humor


       **
       I used to carry the tester or tube case when my dad went out on
repair calls on the weekends to fix people's TVs.

________________________________

       From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>] On Behalf Of Rick Cook
       Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 10:53 AM
       To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
       Subject: Re: OT: Friday (strange) humor


       **
       No, you're not.  I can still picture those tube tester machines
in the stores.  :)

       Rick


       On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Tim Widowfield
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:


               **
               I hope I'm not the only old guy who was thinking "old
tubes" was a reference to vacuum tubes.



               ----- Original Message ----
               From: "Pierson, Shawn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL 
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               To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>
               Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 9:42:32 AM
               Subject: [ARSLIST] OT: Friday (strange) humor

               **
               You can tell the boss has been out of the office this
week.  My team, in conjunction with a team that sits with us, took some
old tubes and turned cube land into a Chinese temple, complete with both
male and female lion statues, as well as a bagua mirror with the old
Remedy logo to ward off evil spirits.

               Hopefully the photos make it through the email.

               Shawn Pierson



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