Yes I agree. Especially when the request to send some one to Vegas comes right after the company has had to layoff 200 workers in Pennsylvania, Ohio or Kentucky because they are closing plants as a result of an economic downturn. Dave ------------------------- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wireless)
________________________________ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) To: [email protected] Sent: Thu Sep 25 11:58:55 2008 Subject: Re: 2008 User World ** Kelly, it's not so much the cost that can be the concern, but the location. Often when Vegas is the location, there is an association with it that makes some management think "why would I spend my budget on this guy/gal's bachnalian vacation in Vegas?" Trust me, folks in the public sector will often run into this. I love going to the User World, and the last one was in a truly interesting city! I'd love to see more locations like Vancouver. Sort of off the beaten convention path. Reasonable in price (although the hotel was pricey, but the value of the USD wasn't helping that). There are so many smaller cities in this country that offer wonderful convention facilities and interesting entertainment venues. Plus they are centrally located! How about BUW 2010 - Steubenville, OH? (just kidding)..... Cities like Columbus, OH, Indianapolis, IN or one of my personal favorites, Chicago IL have so much to offer. And the expnese is so much less then the Miami's of the world.... Just an idea. Warren On 9/25/08, Shellman, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ** How far away from the event are the less expensive hotels? Miami was going to cost a fair amount more than it did in Vancouver because I want the convenience of staying near the conference. There was a day event in New York last week. Even though it was a day event it was held in a hotel that the cheapest room was over 400 a night. It's not just cost. A couple of responses discussed choice between listening to a dry discussion on CMDB or slots. Choice between Configuration Management or Blackjack. It can be a perception that it's Vegas and little time will be spent at the event. In some cases it's not a misconception because folks do use events like free vacations. Maybe it's just me. I don't go for the glitz. I attend for the technical content. Dave ------------------------- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wireless) ________________________________ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) To: [email protected] Sent: Thu Sep 25 07:57:52 2008 Subject: Re: 2008 User World I don't understand why Las Vegas is extravagant. It has more cheap flights to it than about anywhere. It does have expensive hotel rooms but it also has very reasonable and yet safe rooms. Go to Travelocity and search for 3-5 star hotels for less than $100 a night. I got 85 hits including the Luxor, Circus Circus, etc. What am I missing? Kelly Deaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yes, I work for BMC. This post reflects the opinions of the poster and not the official opinion of BMC) -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: 2008 User World From: "Shellman, David" [EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://tycoelectronics.com/> > Date: Wed, September 24, 2008 7:40 pm To: [email protected] Vegas could be problematic. Maybe BMC will listen to this before they really decide. As others have pointed out, the economy is not in great shape. I work for a company that manufacturers connectors for appliances, cars, computers, phones, power lines, etc. People are tightening their belts and not buying like they did. It also not just in the US. The events over the last few weeks are effected economies through out the world. In response, Tyco Electronics is looking at ways to tighten it's belt. A conference in Vegas when the economy continues to slow down is not a good thing. My asking to attend a conference in Vegas may be frowned upon as extravagant. It maybe similar to scheduling a conference in Florida during hurricane season and in a hotel that's going to be renovated. In this case the conference maybe held but the technical folks can't come because of the cost and the glitz in a bad economy. Then again we may get lucky and the economy pick up. For me it probably be an easier sell if it were in San Francisco or Houston. Dave ------------------------- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wireless) ________________________________ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) To: [email protected] Sent: Wed Sep 24 19:51:59 2008 Subject: Re: 2008 User World ** Vegas could be problematic.... You know what they say, what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas! How the heck do we get all of our loot home! Warren On 9/24/08, Shellman, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ** Kelly, Thanks for that update. Dave ------------------------- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wireless) ________________________________ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) To: [email protected] Sent: Wed Sep 24 07:47:43 2008 Subject: Re: 2008 User World If you want to be kept informed on the saga of User World(s) you have to 'opt in' to get email. This is a requirement to meet the "no spam" type rules. You can do this by filling out this form - http://www.bmc.com/webforms/webforms.cfm?template=3644 Kelly Deaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yes, I work for BMC. This post reflects the opinions of the poster and not the official opinion of BMC) -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: 2008 User World From: "Shellman, David" [EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://tycoelectronics.com/> > Date: Tue, September 23, 2008 6:23 pm To: [email protected] ** Hmmm. It appears I just got an "official email" from [EMAIL PROTECTED] the subject of "BMC UserWorld Miami Reimbursement Process." It details what forms to fill out, where to send the receipts, etc. I spoke with another person that had registered and she was given a reimbursement process 2 weeks ago. Just as FYI, the last paragraph of the "official email" is below: Mark Your Calendars Many of you have been asking, and we are pleased to let you know that UserWorld will be held in October 2009. Look for more details including dates and locations coming soon! Dave ________________________________ From:Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Easter, David Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 1:01 PM To:[email protected] Subject: Re: 2008 User World ** FYI - there have been no official communications sent out on this matter. The information here is, at this time, speculation. I have confirmed with the organizers that the information here is NOT confirmed at this point. When an official communication goes out, I will certainly again update this community. Not calling anyone a liar - I'm sure some message from someone did go out - but anything sent/received is not conformed and not official.. Thanks, -David J. Easter Sr. Product Manager, Solution Strategy and Development BMC Software, Inc. The opinions, statements, and/or suggested courses of action expressed in this E-mail do not necessarily reflect those of BMC Software, Inc. My voluntary participation in this forum is not intended to convey a role as a spokesperson, liaison or public relations representative for BMC Software, Inc. ________________________________ From:Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shellman, David Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:22 AM To:[email protected] Subject: Re: 2008 User World ** No 2008 BUW. Those that registered are to get refunds. The email I received noted that there will be more information posted on the web site by the end of the week. Dave ________________________________ From:Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Cook Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 11:19 AM To:[email protected] Subject: Re: 2008 User World ** So there will be NO 2008 BUW? Or did they say? It is a bit late, I guess... Rick On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Shellman, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ** Just received an update concerning 2008 User World (US version). Look forward to 2009 User World in Vegas next October. Dave Dave Shellman Phone: (717) 810-3687 Fax: (717) 810-2124 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tyco Electronics MS 161-043 PO Box 3608 Harrisburg, PA 17105-3607 __Platinum Sponsor: http://www.rmsportal.com/ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" html___ __Platinum Sponsor: http://www.rmsportal.com/ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" html___ __Platinum Sponsor: http://www.rmsportal.com/ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" html___ __Platinum Sponsor: http://www.rmsportal.com/ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" html___ __Platinum Sponsor: http://www.rmsportal.com/ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" html___ __Platinum Sponsor: http://www.rmsportal.com/ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" html___ -- Warren R. 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