I know several of the MVP WINNERS that talk like that.LOL..besides.I didn't actually SAY anything bad J..didn't even TYPE anything bad J
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason Miller Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 2:24 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? ** Now is that appropriate from a MVP candidate? :) On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 1:13 PM, LJ LongWing <lj.longw...@gmail.com> wrote: ** Like that time I called you a !@#$@#$ @#@#$ @#$@#$@...oh.the good times From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason Miller Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 1:51 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? ** Exactly. I have to admit those barriers to entry must also be a factor in why the Remedy community works so well. There is incentive to remaining professional since we are usually representing somebody else and that somebody puts food on the table. Some of those other communities where all you needs is a used book to start can get kind of vile. I remember only a handful of times when there were some personal jabs against another Lister. Jason On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:54 AM, LJ LongWing <lj.longw...@gmail.com> wrote: ** Jason, I think you are correct on the 'too small' on the community part. In the other languages, some middle schooler can go to a garage sale, pick up a 'Java for dummies' book, install tons of free frameworks/tools, and start producing Java code for free in his bedroom. We on the other hand require a Server, DB, and most importantly, a CONTRACT. You MUST have a contract before you can even download an un-licensed version of the server.now granted, I have done some awesome stuff with an unlicensed server before.so no real complaints about that.but I wouldn't have been able to do any of it unless I was already on contract to do other remedy stuff. You can run Remedy on free versions of both SQL Server and Oracle.so it's not really the 'cost' of running a free server.but there is A LOT of setup needed.and it's just not 'inviting' for people to get into the community. And because of all of the above, that means that a vast majority of everything developed is done on someone else's dime.so unless you have a 'great boss', you can't publish it on the internet for free. From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason Miller Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 5:53 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? ** Joe, you nailed it (although I did get Jennifer's joke too). There are so many communities where you can download code/functions/scripts/etc for other languages but there isn't one for Remedy; well it is there just not actively used in this manner. There are a few apps/utilities on the BMCDN but not as many as I think a lot of us would like to see. Now to be perfectly honest, I have a few utilities that I have been meaning to post to the BMCDN for a few years now (the data export one is sad without runmacro.exe). We have seen arswiki.org come and go. Axton provided the site for years and there just wasn't enough involvement to keep the site up (I am guilty too). I am fearful that the same will happen with ARInside. I see John making updates when he has some time but can it survive as a one or two person project? Personally I would love to help out and even installed a compiler a while back to work on my limited C++ skills. Years, work, new laptop without compiler, and grade school aged kids later I still have not contributed any code to the project. Don't get me wrong, always having sanctioned/paid work (and a family) that pushes aside community projects is not a bad problem to have. * Is it that we are all just too busy? * Is it a ratio thing in that we are such a small community compared to Java/C++/HTML/PowerShell/<insert platform of choice> communities that we just don't have enough people to contribute a decent volume of projects? * Is it that we cannot share what we build because it was done on somebody else's time/system? * Would it help if there was an AR MSDN like subscription that we have been asking for for a few years? * I think this is related to the somebody else's time/system question. I know I can't afford to develop AR Applications without my employer's resources (servers, support contract). * Now with today's virtualization, hosted technologies and the Suite Stack Installer it would be easier than ever to provide this resource. Maybe a downloadable VM appliance (ADDM anybody?). I understand there are licensing issues with distributing other companies' software (Windows/MS SQL/Oracle). Maybe it is time for a MySQL version of AR? :) Hopefully now that we have a Community Ambassador we can get some of these things moving. ;-) Jason _attend WWRUG11 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"_ _attend WWRUG11 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"_ _attend WWRUG11 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"_ _attend WWRUG11 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"_ _attend WWRUG11 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"_ _______________________________________________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug11 www.wwrug.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
