Excellent Points...

Now how do we do that - that is the million dollar question.

They would probably have to rebuild the application from the ground
up!

I do a lot of R&D in this space and we are working on a prototype
with

similar capabilities that would allow the client to do "plug and play"

with the different modules (Change, Incident, etc.).  Not only that,
but

it would have auto-archiving built in...

The ITSM 7 product could be rebuilt and re-engineered to do what

you are suggesting, but we may have to wait for version 10.



On Nov 1, 7:59 pm, Axton <axton.gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is more a high level discussion and is concept/design oriented.
>  Please feel free to chime in with your thoughts.  I look forward to the
> collective wisdom of this list.  I is my hope that a a constructive
> discussion can happen around this subject and the powers that be can gain
> insight gleaned from the discussion.
>
> First, a little background.  I was in the Help Desk/ITSM space, left that
> arena for a few years, and have since returned.  After working with the
> ITSM application for a few short months I am realizing how
> tightly ingrained these applications are with one another (incident,
> problem, asset, change, cmdb, etc.).  The tightly coupled integrations make
> certain tasks exceedingly difficult, for example:
> - using an outside system for change management (or any other process, for
> that matter)
> - upgrading a single application in the stack (e.g., change management)
> - integrating outside applications with the ITSM applications
>
> Non-remedy or custom remedy applications are unable to easily or
> effectively communicate with the ITSM applications in the same way that the
> ITSM applications communicate with one another.  Even different versions of
> the applications are unable to effectively communicate.
>
> Consider that each application facilitates a well defined process.  Each
> process has inputs, outputs, and actions.  The ITSM applications could have
> (and leverage, internally) interfaces to communicate their inputs and
> inputs, outputs, and actions.  Java Interfaces are an implementation of
> this design pattern that are a prime example of the flexibilities that this
> can afford.
>
> *Interfaces form a contract between the class and the outside world...*
> *-- *http://download.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/java/concepts/interface.html
>
> Interfaces can be versioned (e.g., 'Create Incident' interface version 1
> supports a field ,Priority; 'Create Incident' interface version 2 supports
> a new field, Urgency, etc.).  By creating an interface (i.e., a contract)
> and back-end instrumentation to implement the interface, applications could
> be upgraded independent of one another; all the communicating components
> need to know is the version of the interface and that dictates the
> capabilities of said interface.  With this idea, I am borrowing from the
> approach that many of the SOA stacks are implementing:
>
> *One the most popular approaches for dealing with changes is versioning.
> Versioning assumes simultaneous existence of multiple (different)
> implementations of the same thing, with every implementation
> distinguishable and individually addressable. In the case of SOA, service
> versioning equates to coexistence of multiple versions of the same service,
> which allows each consumer to use the version that it is designed and
> tested for (see Figure 1). In this case, a new version of a service is
> created based on the requirements of one or more consumers, which can start
> using this new version immediately. The other consumers of this service do
> not need to switch to using the latest version immediately, but can
> continue to use the versions of the service they were designed for and
> tested with. They can switch to the latest version of service, based on
> their own development and testing schedule. Multiple coexisting versions of
> the same service in the system allows for the independent life cycles of
> services and their consumers and minimizes the overall impact of the
> introduction of changes. Although the necessity of such versioning
> mechanism may be obvious to anyone who has ever dealt with services, this
> topic still has not penetrated the mainstream of SOA publications and
> implementations. *
> --http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb491124.aspx#jour11version_t...
>
> A few key concepts here:
> - Interfaces and versioning
>   - Well defined interfaces
>   - Interface life-cycle (e.g., the last 3 major versions of the interfaces
> will remain supported, after which, they are deprecated)
> - Loosely coupled applications (to the extent that the applications could
> run on different physical servers/databases) that leverage only the
> interfaces the applications provide as a means of communication
>
> Such a change to the current paradigm would open the doors to a lot of
> things that are simply not feasible at this time, all of which start with
> better interoperability.  This is something that is important in the cloud
> space.  A proper implementation of the above ideas would lead an
> application that is easily pluggable into a SOA backbone so that the
> services the applications provide can be used by any other application that
> is able to reach out to the SOA backbone.
>
> I think that running each application within ITSM on separate servers would
> be a good gauge of an effective implementation of this paradigm.
>
> I look forward to your thoughts.
>
> Regards,
> Axton Grams
>
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