Shawn I think I get your point about "would like the ability to do more powerful development on AR System", which if I understand you correctly, it would mean being able to do structural or object oriented programming. This is a common thing, I believe, with tech folks that have knowledge of "real" programming (vs. GUI application development), that get involved in the ARS world. I was like that too, only two years after I graduated from computer engineering, I became a Remedy developer. At the beginning I missed the deep technical challenge that is removed with a high-level GUI app developer tool. But I made peace with that a long time ago and accepted the fact of what ARS is, a very high-level app development environment. From what I have seen, BMC will always keep ARS at that high level, since that was the original intent. So IMHO, ARS is not the right area for tech folks that need their daily deep tech fix .... complementing that with actual programming like java, .net or other "programming" languages (maybe in other projects that have nothing to do with Remedy or integrations with Remedy, or developing tools or utilities using the Remedy API ) seems the way to go. Just a sugegstion....
my $0.02 Guillaume ________________________________ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] on behalf of Pierson, Shawn [shawn.pier...@sug.com] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:25 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** When Developer Studio first came out, I was suspicious because it appeared to be part of a huge shift toward making Remedy more Java-like. Consider that Developer Studio is basically just a customized version of Eclipse, which is the IDE quite a few Java developers use, and also keep in mind how many additional plugins have been added over the years mostly for ITSM. Personally I am probably more in the same camp as Jose. I would like the ability to do more powerful development on AR System, especially since I’ve been dabbling in Java and Android development using Eclipse for a while now and see some of the strengths of Eclipse being limited in Developer Studio. At the same time, I want the option of keeping things as simple as possible with Remedy workflow, and would like to see them abstract things even more to where you can build workflow using something that looks like Visio to design processes that automatically generate code (sort of like Pentaho Spoon/Atrium Integrator is supposed to do.) These things are not necessarily simple, but I think BMC can accomplish those types of things if that is their vision as well. Either way, I now prefer Developer Studio over the old Admin Tool for the same reasons as most people here. It was a bit of a learning curve, but once you’re past it, it should be smooth sailing. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Southern Union From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Guillaume Rheault Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 8:56 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Jose, I think some of the points you mention are not applicable in the ARS world, since as you very well know, ARS is not a 3rd generation language like java or .net. The general consensus is that ARS is greater than a 4th generation language, it's either 4.5 or 5th generation. As a point of reference PL/SQL and T-SQL are 4th generation languages. Therefore you cannot really compare the developer tool of a of 5th generation language with the developer tool of a 3rd generation language. We need to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges to make an objective and rational comparison. So... if you are familiar with a 5th generation language's developer tool and want to compare it with Developer Studio, please go ahead and share your analysis, the community values them, and hopefully BMC will incorporate new features in future versions. Guillaume ________________________________ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] on behalf of Jose Huerta [jose.hue...@sm2baleares.es] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 8:27 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** I think that Developer Studio is not as good as it must be. You all talk about the great leap made from the admin tool to the developer studio. But under my point of view it's is like going from a very bad application to a bad application. Have you seen other developer studios (like the Microsot's one)? There are a lot of features missing in the current version that are the basis of other development environments like: - Online debugging - Unitary test - Graphical blocking of elements (to block some elements and work with others). - Enforcement of best practices. - Search objects: To answer the next questions: What are the active links that can change one particular field? What filters are associated with a form (not only the main form, but also as a secondary form)? It is not a good tool. And the prove of it is that a lot of partners are providing parallel tools to make things that the developer studio would had to do. I work with a 24" panoramic monitor + 22" 4:3 monitor + the 15" laptop monitor. And I use all three when using the developer studio. For me there is a waste of space when displaying a filter. All this information can be reorganized better way. _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"_ Private and confidential as detailed here<http://www.sug.com/disclaimers/default.htm#Mail>. If you cannot access hyperlink, please e-mail sender. _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"_ _______________________________________________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
