When I do a cache flush a red message appears within moment saying it's done. But that is false. It seems to take about 15 minutes. I do not see any status bar.
I did notice yesterday, since it was my first flush on our new production server that it affected users in the client and everyone got a timeout, not just mid-tier users (oooops). We'll call that learning curve! I have not tried the sync flush yet, I'll try that tonight. I really hampers getting things in the system. Keep talking about mid-tier, I have a lot to learn! On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Jason Miller <jason.mil...@gmail.com>wrote: > ** > Actually I think it is more related to Perform Check. I have the Sync > Cache option in environments where we have Preload on and off. If I > uncheck Perform Check and save the Sync Cache button turns grey. > > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Arner, Todd <tar...@glhec.org> wrote: > >> ** >> >> Ah that may be why. We do have preload turned on**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: >> arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Jason Miller >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:01 PM >> >> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >> *Subject:* Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** **** >> >> I have seen it... On the environments where we have Preload turned on.** >> ** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Joe D'Souza <jdso...@shyle.net> wrote:* >> *** >> >> ** **** >> >> I have always seen a progress bar after hitting Sync Cache – I’ll take a >> screen shot next time I have to use it if I remember to and send it to you >> offline.**** >> >> **** >> >> Joe**** >> >> **** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: >> arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Jason Miller >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:40 PM**** >> >> >> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >> *Subject:* Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache**** >> >> **** >> >> ** **** >> >> Ah. So I see a bit of difference in our configurations. Since this is >> Dev we do not have Preload on. I don't see a status bar when I press Sync >> Cache. If there were a status bar maybe it would take that long? I just >> know by the time I check the change in a browser the change is active.*** >> * >> >> **** >> >> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Joe D'Souza <jdso...@shyle.net> wrote:* >> *** >> >> ** **** >> >> Wow that’s quick on 8 then. I’m quite certain its not that quick on >> 7.6.04. Sometimes that progress bar moves a percentage every 3 or 4 or 5 >> seconds resulting in it getting completed in anywhere between 5 to 10 >> minutes.**** >> >> **** >> >> This is probably cause often I’m not the only developer on board and it >> caches things that others have done too.**** >> >> **** >> >> My hypotheses without really going through a SQL logging process is that >> it probably takes quite some time for it to find the objects it needs to >> cache.**** >> >> **** >> >> Joe**** >> >> **** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: >> arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Jason Miller >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:25 PM**** >> >> >> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >> *Subject:* Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache**** >> >> **** >> >> ** **** >> >> I am not arguing the merits of the being able cache a single object or >> maybe better yet a group of selected objects. My experience with Sync >> Cache is it is a sub 30 second process on AR 8.0 / MT 8.1. In the last few >> days I have repeatedly changed a form or AL, let it finish saving (AR >> server cache mode is a factor here since the server cache needs to reflect >> the object has changed), hit Sync Cache in IE, CTRL + F5 the form in >> Firefox. I allow minimal time between those steps.**** >> >> **** >> >> Jason**** >> >> **** >> >> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Joe D'Souza <jdso...@shyle.net> wrote:* >> *** >> >> Actually I have seen that behavior too on 7.6.04 Patch 004 where I noticed >> the time it takes to flush the entire cache is not that significantly more >> than using the Sync Cache. >> >> My reasoning why that must be as it is, is that it still takes the system >> a >> little bit of time to figure out what has changed. Sure the searches for >> this might be optimized, but it's still a search to identify what needs to >> be flushed. Even if the search takes only a minute, its still a minute >> more. >> >> I'm guessing it takes a little more than a minute to identify what's >> changed. On an average I have noticed that a Sync Cache operation takes >> anywhere around 5 minutes or upwards. >> >> The benefit of telling the Mid-Tier what to cache upfront, eliminates the >> need for the Mid-Tier to search what it needs to cache. >> >> PLUS while stuff is still being developed, there's a chance you do not >> want >> to cache everything you just developed as you are still R&D'ing it. So as >> a >> developer if I want to cache just a single object or a selected list of >> objects but not the rest that are newly created, I think it would be a >> huge >> win if I could have that. >> >> I think the Flush Cache and / or the Sync Cache operations are more ideal >> for end of development cycles or end of day operations. Not middle of the >> day when you have a team of developers who didn't want the MT cache >> flushed >> waiting on it to finish its work. The single object flush idea would be >> ideal for middle of the day use where you do not impact other users or >> developers.. >> >> Cheers >> >> Joe**** >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)**** >> >> [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR >> INFORMATION >> OPERATIONS**** >> >> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:58 PM >> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >> Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache >> >> We are on 7.6.04 sp2. I'll keep playing with it and see if I can get it >> to work for me. I'll try clearing the browser cache, etc. >> >> Lisa >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >> [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason Miller >> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:41 AM >> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >> Subject: Re: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache >> >> ** >> What version are you using? I think sync cache has matured a bit since >> it was first introduced. On 8.0 I am constantly using it to see form >> and AL updates. >> >> One trick is you need to either clear your browser cache or force a >> cache refresh by using CTRL + F5. Also in the past I have noticed some >> issues where changed objects being displayed via an inline panel are not >> easily refreshed. In that case I keep the form itself open in a tab and >> force the cache refresh on the form itself before trying it inline. >> >> Jason >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 5:13 AM, Kemes, Lisa A DLA CTR INFORMATION >> OPERATIONS <lisa.kemes....@dla.mil> wrote: >> >> >> I agree, I tried using the Sync Cache feature and it's good for >> forms >> and fields, but not for workflow. I waited and waited for my >> workflow >> (active links) to refresh and after about 20 minutes, I just >> flushed the >> entire cache and only then did I see my new workflow kick off. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >> [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza >> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 6:04 PM >> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >> Subject: RFE: Controlling the Flushing action of the Mid-Tier >> Cache >> >> ** >> >> Currently the flushing action of the Mid-Tier Cache is limited >> to either >> flushing the entire cache (HUGE performance hit) or using the >> new Sync >> Cache feature (relatively less of a performance hit). >> >> >> >> It would be nice if there was another layer of control over what >> a >> developer or a Mid-Tier administrator would have liked to flush. >> And >> that is the ability to flush an individual object - Just the >> Form, or >> just one Active Link, or just one Form Menu, etc. or a selected >> list of >> these. >> >> >> >> The Sync Cache feature already having been built, whose >> functionality I >> was a little confused over because it still takes a ton of time >> to >> happen, I would not think going one layer deeper would be that >> much more >> difficult, and flush just selected objects. >> >> >> >> This could be implemented both on the Mid-Tier configuration >> application >> >> >> >> OR >> >> >> >> Even better on the Developer Studio itself. The Developer Studio >> can >> already store information of various Mid-Tier servers associated >> with >> various AR Servers from various environments such as >> Development, Test, >> QA, Staging, Production etc. in its Mid-Tier servers >> Information. It >> already has the ability to view a form through a browser >> utility. In >> version 8 it has even gone a step further to model permissions >> you want >> to view the form with. Below is a screen shot of a limited >> version of >> this functionality in 7.6.04.. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> It would be nice to be able to right click on a newly created >> menu, and >> perform a Cache on Selected Mid-Tier Server and offer the >> developer a >> choice of valid servers associated with that environment that he >> would >> like to flush the cache without leaving the Developer Studio and >> choose >> single objects or a finite list of objects to flush instead of >> having >> the Sync cache flush all the recently developed objects, which >> may not >> be what he wants to do. >> >> >> >> In my opinion this would be less time consuming that even the >> Sync >> feature, and will give the developer a better control on what >> they are >> ready to publish as finished code to the user. >> >> >> >> I would like to know what you'll think of this one too. >> >> >> >> I have yet another couple of ideas I spoke to engineering about >> that I >> was asked to post on here so it could be run by the community. >> >> >> >> Please visit the community area to vote on this one >> <https://communities.bmc.com/ideas/3588> if you like it at >> https://communities.bmc.com/ideas/3588. >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >> >> Joe D'Souza**** >> >> >> _______________________________________________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org >> "Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years"**** >> >> **** >> >> _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_ **** >> >> _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_ **** >> >> **** >> >> _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_ **** >> >> _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_ **** >> >> ** ** >> >> _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_ **** >> ------------------------------ >> The information contained in this communication may be confidential, is >> intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above, and may be >> legally privileged. 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