Let's keep politics off this list, ok? Plenty to talk about on topic. Rick On Jul 29, 2014 11:46 AM, "Brukeste G" <bruke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ** > Bain capital has a relationship with BMC? Mitt Romney? Hmmmmm > > On Jul 29, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Ken Pritchard <pri...@ptd.net> wrote: > > ** > > I’ve been reading this thread for the better part of 2 days now without > commenting. While I agree with the type of conference y’all are looking > for, don’t forget what ‘we’ve’ allowed it to be called. > > > > I think part of the disconnect is that it’s always been referred to as a > ‘user group’ conference, not a developers conference. Sounds like now that > BMC-Bain has regained control of it they are treating it more strictly as a > ‘user’ (as in customer) conference. > > > > *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [ > mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG <arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>] *On Behalf Of *Lynn > Larsen > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2014 2:06 PM > *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > *Subject:* Re: ENGAGE > > > > ** > > Do you really think that of the 20-some sessions still to be decided upon, > that they will be focused on Remedy with the direction the rest of the > agenda/sessions are going? > > > > *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [ > mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG <arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>] *On Behalf Of *LJ > LongWing > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:12 PM > *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > *Subject:* Re: ENGAGE > > > > ** > > I think that was the attempt with the 'Subject to change' disclaimer at > the bottom....but I personally dismissed that as 'we are covering our legal > buts incase someone that's presenting pulls out', not 'we aren't finished > publishing all of the sessions yet' > > > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Jason Miller <jason.mil...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > ** > > So could a simple "here is what we have so far and we still have some to > add" have avoided all of this? My guess is we all would have been a bit > quieter, at least until it was all published. > > > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:00 AM, LJ LongWing <lj.longw...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > ** > > Well....one 'plus' that I've seen so far is that they say that the catalog > that we are looking at is a bit 'short'...meaning that they have stated > it's only 85% done....so...I did the math...that means there are about > another 20ish sessions still to be decided upon....will that be enough? > I'm not sure...I read on communities that most of the 'undecided' are in > the track that Remedy resides in...so it's possible that they will be > adding sessions of a technical nature, but only time will tell. > Additionally, I saw that the 'early bird' timeframe was extended to Aug > 15....so that gives people more time once the sessions are more > finalized....I'm still watching the situation as it unfolds....we will see > what we end up with at the end. > > > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Jason Miller <jason.mil...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > ** > > I think what we see is the difference between a Remedy conference and a > BMC conference (duh). To expand on that obvious statement what we know and > love is World Wide Remedy Users Group (WWRUG), Remedy is in the name. BMC > cannot cater to the Remedy community alone and neglect their other products > (well they could but would probably upset the customers of the other > products). The conference that would have avoided all of this criticism > from us likely would have looked very lopsided to non-Remedy customers and > I imaging there were discussions around these points and a conscious > decision that the conference had to be balanced. > > > > Claire pointed out they hired a company to help with the conference. > Since most of my IT career has been centered around Remedy I have not been > to other corporate conferences however my guess is they look pretty similar > to ENGAGE. BMC and the company helping them plan is likely using the usual > format for a corporate event. Unfortunately we have been spoiled and are > use to getting the conference we want and that is designed to provide the > maximum value for Remedy customers. BMC is not and cannot provide that for > us under the BMC-wide umbrella. > > > > With that said I am still disappointed. I feel they could have > incorporated more technical, customer presentations and AR-specific content > while using some of the lessons learned from the past 5 years of WWRUG and > still providing a pretty balanced event (i.e. add some of the aspects we > love to other product areas instead of taking away from Remedy). > > > > A BMC event and WWRUG have two different focuses and I can't imagine them > ever being close to the same thing. The corporate run Remedy User Groups > that we loved were hosted by Remedy Corp (ok so I never attended one of > those but I know you guys and gals loved them). Of course those catered to > Remedy people, that was their only product family to focus on. > > > > So I think the question is can a North America WWRUG and BMC corporate > event exist in the same year? I suspect with BMC back in the corporate > event game they will not provide nearly the same level of sponsorship they > have for previous WWRUGs. > > > > Jason > > > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Scott Philben <sphil...@mac.com> wrote: > > ** > > I'm not sure I could get to 5-6. 3-4 maybe. What would I do with the rest > of my time? > > > > When I heard this was happening, I was excited. BMC was running it! The > real insiders! There would be more discussions on the other BMC tools! All > the good stuff all in one place! Adventure and excitement! > > > > Now that I have seen the agenda, it's all about meh... Where are the > technical discussions for us who don't need hand holding and the "New > Remedy User Experience?" Where are the "ways to use Remedy that you never > thought of?" How about Misi and seeing how he integrates things with > Remedy? Where are the little customers and big customers explaining how > they do things with Remedy? > > > > This sounds like a lot of Marketing types there to sell me stuff. > > > > And stop pushing The Cloud! > > -scott > > > > On Jul 29, 2014, at 11:49 AM, Rick Cook <remedyr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > ** > > Looks like they updated the session times to more reasonable values. Some > of that may be time zone adjustment, but at least evenings now look free > for networking and other activities. > > I know that not everyone is ready for the advanced stuff, and that we need > sessions at all levels. But I see maybe 5-6 breakouts I would definitely > attend. The rest are kinda meh... > > > Rick > > > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Warren R. Baltimore II < > warrenbaltim...@gmail.com> wrote: > > ** > > err...that would be San Jose.... heh...still haven't had my full load of > coffee..... > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Warren R. Baltimore II < > warrenbaltim...@gmail.com> wrote: > > First off, as to Claire's earlier comment, I am truly flattered..... > > > > I'm not sure why anyone would have thought this to be any different then > it has ALWAYS been when BMC ran this thing. I still remember giving an ear > full to some poor staffer in San Diego back in 2006 (I think) about how > upset I was that it was nothing more then one long marketing tool for the > ITSM suite.... At the time, all I did was development, and it was pretty > darn evident that BMC no longer wished to sell the ARSystem as a > development platform. > > > > I've not been able to get to many of these since I left the University of > Washington (it is so much harder to convince a profit motivated manager of > these things then a University manager!), and I had hoped to go to this, > but now I'm not so sure.... Maybe I'm just better off finding a good class > somewhere.... > > > > BMC, you really need to start listening to this group. They are some of > your Remedy products biggest fans. We can can be a bit of handful > sometimes, but we're worth it! Stop treating this as a way to just sell > your products. We've already bought into that. Instead, think about how > YOU can help US to better leverage these products. Do a better job in > running this event. Perhaps give it to the education and > engineering/R&D departments, and leave the sales staff at home! > > > > *sigh* > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Tami Palacky <tpala...@gmail.com> wrote: > > ** > > too funny Jason!!! > > > > seems they are going back to how BMC used to run the conference. too bad > there is no more WWRUG. i guess the guys got burned out. :( > > > > On Monday, July 28, 2014 7:57:42 PM UTC-4, Jason Miller wrote: > > ** > > By doing our own thing we would simply be creating an overlay on ENGAGE. > Once we create the overlay we can customize and changes by BMC won't have > an impact. Except if they delete one of us in base, that will have an > impact on the overlay. > > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Tauf Chowdhury <tauf...@gmail.com> wrote: > > ** > > Not if you do it from a hotel room though? I'll pitch in for a suite. We > can set up a google hang out and a live tweet session. > > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 7:40 PM, laurent matheo <lm...@me.com> wrote: > > ** > > Yeah I proposed this... Somekind of "genius bar" or something, maybe panel > like, or small breakouts or something... > Could have been setup like a "mini community onsite" using Matt for this... > > Maybe we could squat the booth location for this when it's not attended? > If it's like wwrug, it's just opened for lunch / not a long time, we could > use the place to do some small groups about a theme or something? > > So, a mix between the "bird & the feathers", "genius bar", "community" and > whatever? > > We could even stream it live on the net so the others could see it (that > could be a problem with BMC rules though). > > > On 29 Jul, 2014,at 01:36 AM, Tauf Chowdhury <tauf...@gmail.com> wrote: > > ** > > I was willing to sponsor a technical/learning lab at the conference. > Reached out to numerous people. Deaf ears. Oh well... I'm still going. Love > networking (by networking I mean drinking) with you guys if you decide to > go. > > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Tauf Chowdhury <tauf...@gmail.com> wrote: > > In browsing through the sessions and speakers, the title of unnamed > speaker pretty much sums up my assessment of the catalog: > Lead Technical Marketing Consultant > > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 7:31 PM, laurent matheo <lm...@me.com> wrote: > > ** > > The evening is still there, Tuesday from 6 to 8 PM: > > http://www.eventmgmt.aimia.com/events/bmc-engage-2014/custom-20-2bc888d975f2496db5d3f819b9735209.aspx > > But that's weird... Since breakouts continue from 6 to 9 PM on tuesday... > So or you go stalk the Engineers (and potentially miss 2 breakouts), or you > attend the breakouts (and miss the candy)? > > > On 29 Jul, 2014,at 01:26 AM, Rick Cook <remed...@gmail.com> wrote: > > ** > > And with so many evening sessions, where does the Evening with Engineering > or the other evening activities go? Will they even have them? > > Rick > > On Jul 28, 2014 4:24 PM, "Jason Miller" <jason....@gmail.com> wrote: > > ** > > Not impressed. My first impress is welcome back BMC Marketing World. We > haven't missed you all these years. Maybe I need to just let it soak in > for a day or two?.?.?. > > > > Unless I am overlooking something it seems there are very few > presentations by customers. > > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Sanford, Claire < > claire....@memorialhermann.org> wrote: > > ** > > Just shaking my head… > > > > *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [ > mailto:ars...@arslist.org <ars...@arslist.org>] *On Behalf Of *laurent > matheo > > > *Sent:* Monday, July 28, 2014 5:32 PM > > > > > *To:* ars...@arslist.org > *Subject:* Re: ENGAGE > > > > > > ** > > It seems the list is on now: > http://bmc.g2planet.com/bmcengage2014/event_agenda > > > On 29 Jul, 2014,at 12:25 AM, "Sanford, Claire" < > claire....@memorialhermann.org> wrote: > > You are certainly trusting Terry! > > > > I’ll wait for the agenda and hope they extend the early bird rate. I can > see it now… > > ME: Hi Mr. Director, please spend thousands of dollars for me to be gone > for almost a week for a conference where we have no idea what the content > is. There is an early bird discount!!! > > DIR: Come back when you have an agenda and a firm grasp on what you > sessions are going to attend AND how much you are going to spend. > > > > ME: Big Sigh… > > > > *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [ > mailto:...@ARSLIST.ORG <...@ARSLIST.ORG>] *On Behalf Of *Tauf Chowdhury > > > *Sent:* Monday, July 28, 2014 4:52 PM > > *To:* ars...@arslist.org > *Subject:*Re: ENGAGE > > > > > > ** > > Is that like the "good faith" deposit at a car dealer? Say goodbye to that > $75! Hehe > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 28, 2014, at 5:49 PM, Terry Bootsma <tboo...@objectpath.com> wrote: > > ** > > I believe early bird pricing expires July 31st. So, if the agenda is out > today or tomorrow, that is just "under the wire". > > > > However, I had to make a call last week, so I registered and paid for the > conference with the understanding that I could de-register up to a certain > date with a $75.00 "admin" fee. Well, we'll see about that. :-) > > > > Terry > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [ > mailto:...@ARSLIST.ORG <...@ARSLIST.ORG>] *On Behalf Of *Lynn Larsen > > > *Sent:* July-28-14 5:03 PM > > *To:* ars...@arslist.org > *Subject:*Re: ENGAGE > > > > ** > > I’m glad I’m not alone in the trying to get approval for a conference that > we have no idea what the content is… There should not be “early bird” > pricing that expires before the detailed agenda is even published, in my > opinion. > > > > *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [ > mailto:...@ARSLIST.ORG <...@ARSLIST.ORG>] *On Behalf Of *Sanford, Claire > > > *Sent:* Monday, July 28, 2014 3:55 PM > > *To:* ars...@arslist.org > *Subject:*Re: ENGAGE > > > > > > ** > > They missed one mark… in order to get a room you have to go through their > conference desk. We are adults. We should be able to make our own > reservations. > > If the conference is more “sales” than technical, there is no way I can > get approval. I’ll be disappointed if they go back to the way it was > before it became WWRUG! > > > > *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [ > mailto:...@ARSLIST.ORG <...@ARSLIST.ORG>] *On Behalf Of *Jason Miller > > > *Sent:* Monday, July 28, 2014 3:51 PM > > *To:* ars...@arslist.org > *Subject:*Re: ENGAGE > > > > > > ** > > I agree that our WWRUG friends are much better at communicating and giving > people the information they need to decide, get approvals and make travel > arrangements than BMC. Let's just hope they don't completely miss the mark > on this conference. > > > > Jason > > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 11:47 AM, David Boylan <david_...@brown.edu> > wrote: > > I still haven't seen much of what is being presented other that lots of > marketing. > > Is this even worth going to? > > > Dave > > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org > "Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years" > > > > _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_ > > _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_ > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > Note: This e-mail and any attachments may be privileged and confidential > and protected from disclosure. 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