Skippy,
Why can't you post without saying something nasty? Here is the
rule: Don't offer conclusions about people. You can say they are
wrong on an issue, but don't conclude anything about them personally.
If you can't follow that rule, which everyone else follows by the
way, I'll thank you to not address me or refer to me at all.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> "Since in your quote the modifier "poor" black people was used and
not
> "all" black people, I'm not wrong for suggesting the quote portends
> classism, not racism. It's YOUR QUOTE Leslie, not mine. Once
again,
> I refuse to let this paraphrase of a quote, from 3 unnamed people,
who
> might have been using classism and not racism, as irrefutable
evidence
> that Asbury Park is a racist community."
>
> Tommy give it up; Leslie never said "poor", she and Jim quoted 3
men
> allegedly making the statement. What she did in fact say, and you
> happily avoid, is the following":
>
> "if you define racism on a broader scale, then one might see it
more
> frequently. Examples of individual and institutional racism are
black
> or other people of color:
> - having a more difficult time securing bank loans,
> - having a more difficult time securing employment
> - receiving a poorer quality public education than white or
> multicultural schools
> - being followed or shadowed in a store as if they intend to steal
> something
> - being pulled over by police as if they have stolen the car they
are
> in or are doing something wrong
> - watching white people instinctively clutch their wallet / purse
when
> seeing a black person walking down the street."
>
> Apparently this so offends the 3 bigot news that you've been
> instructed to construct a paper tiger against which you now wage a
> holy crusade. This society is rife with both racism and classism,
> facts only a fool would deny. On the latter you're well qualified.
>
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > In a message dated 8/9/2005 1:28:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > >
> > > Also, as I racall, the quote from those 3 people as posted (I
> > don't
> > > remember if it was you or Leslie who posted it) portended
> > classism,
> > > not racism, which are entirely different things.
> > >
> > >
> > > Tommy,
> > >
> > > You have selective hearing. We wrote it very clearly (both
Jim
> > and myself)
> > > on three or four different occasions and you still are hearing
> > what you want
> > > to hear. Go back to the e-mails for the exact statements
which
> > are very
> > > clear. If not, lets just stop talking about it. Actually,
lets
> > stop talking
> > > about it either way : )
> > >
> > > Leslie
> >
> >
> >
> > Here is your quote from post 10944, Leslie:
> >
> > "For the record, during the run up to the AP Council election, I
had
> > three separate conversations with people from Asbury Park - two
with
> > straight white men and one with a gay white man - where they
> > ultimately said that poor black people in the Southwest quadrant
of
> > Asbury Park should just move to Neptune so that we in Asbury
don't
> > have to deal with their problems anymore."
> >
> >
> > Here is your quote from post 10944, Leslie:
> >
> > "For the record, during the run up to the AP Council election, I
had
> > three separate conversations with people from Asbury Park - two
with
> > straight white men and one with a gay white man - where they
> > ultimately said that poor black people in the Southwest quadrant
of
> > Asbury Park should just move to Neptune so that we in Asbury
don't
> > have to deal with their problems anymore."
> >
> >
> > Since in your quote the modifier "poor" black people was used
and
> > not "all" black people, I'm not wrong for suggesting the quote
> > portends classism, not racism. It's YOUR QUOTE Leslie, not mine.
> >
> > Once again, I refuse to let this paraphrase of a quote, from 3
> > unnamed people, who might have been using classism and not
racism,
> > as irrefutable evidence that Asbury Park is a racist community.
> >
> > It is not.
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