You know what Tommy, it's people like you that are transforming America in to 
one safe 
homogeneous place to live. Just like the background of a Flintstones cartoon, 
where you 
see the same house, tree, rock and cloud go by over and over.
Asbury had a unique character. So much so that I brought people to our town 
from all over  
the country. Take a look at the jacket photo in Helen Pikes book. A boardwalk 
filled with 
people. Once, on the Honeymooners, Ralph proudly told Alice that he was taking 
her to 
Asbury Park.
Unfortunately, I seriously doubt that the next incarnation of Asbury will 
become a 
destination for people. Why go to Asbury with it's gunfire and crime when you 
can go to 
Pier Village?
The character and history of AP has been wiped off the map, and in it's place 
we'll have 
condos and retail. Great. Nothing fun about that. Nothing cultural about that. 
Jack
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <dfsavgny@> wrote:
> 
> 
> > What would you save I ask?
> 
> I would apply the facts to the Presevation Standard, and if the 
> building met the standard it would be saved.  If it didn't it 
> wouldn't.
> 
> I would not, under any circumstances as a historian, use my own 
> preferences.  That would make me an activist and not a Historian. 
> Anyone not using objective standards is doing it wrong.
> 
> > Werner...does not want...instrusion upon the public space the City 
> > founders gave to future generations.
> 
> Dead hand control.  I'd rather make my own way in the world.  What 
> space particularly are you referring to here?
> 
> 
> > For instance, I have taken the text below from the FAQ 
> > section of NYC Landmark's.
> > 
> > "What is a landmark?
> > A landmark is a building, property, or object that has been 
> > designated by the Landmarks Preservation Commission because it has 
> > a special character or special historical or aesthetic interest or 
> > value as part of the development, heritage, or cultural 
> > characteristics of the city, state, or nation.
> 
> 
> The Standards I wrote for the Historical Society are better because 
> they aren't so vague.  I'll try to dig them up.
> 
> 
> > You call the Casino CH's ugly sister. I think that is proof enough 
> > that you are no historian.
> 
> As I've tried to stress before, no one's peronal preferences about a 
> building's design is relevent to whether it is historical, not mine 
> and not Werner's.  We must apply objective standards.
> 
> Under objective standards, the Casin doesn't cut it.
> 
> As for my personal opinion, it could very well be the ugliest 
> building in the State.  And, it never, ever, had any hitorically 
> important past.
>





 
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