--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Have it your way. It wasn't criminal. Let's all cry for the
shooter. Poor fellow! Let's just hope the vicitim's family does see
us making excuses for the scumbag.
Good grief.
>
> I don't understand why you are condemming him for pointing out a
very real problem in
> Asbury Park.
> "Earlier in the week City Councilman James Keady said the
> shootings are not just a criminal problem but stem from social
> issues. "The roots of the problem are not criminal, they're
social,"
> he said."
> Can you possibly deny that there is truth in this?
> Let's say this was a crime of passion, which it seems to have
been.
> It was over a girl.
> In a "normal" community, this would've been resolved by other
forms of fighting, but here
> in Asbury Park, we have cheap guns. We have gangs. We have street
justice.
> That is exactly what JK was talking about.
> If this were Romeo and Juliet, would it be any different.
Substitute poison for a gun.
> You are putting way too much emphasis into the words rather then
the reality.
> Tommy, I think you are a smart guy, but what you are now doing is
going to define you to
> people who don't know you, and the farther you take it, the more
you are going to suffer
> the damage.
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" <asburycouple@>
wrote:
> >
> > No, nice try back at you...
> >
> > He is CLEARLY not talking about this individual crime, but the
ROOT
> > CAUSE of the crime problems we are facing in AP as a whole. You
are
> > overtly taking two words from the entire text and
inappropriately
> > spinning it to make it sound like something different than he
clearly
> > both said and intended. In fact, the closest anything in the
article
> > gets to making the statement you claim is not Jim's words (in
quotes -
> > you should recognize these as an attorney) but the writer's
words
> > preceeding his quote.
> >
> > A lawyer should not be this sloppy with his facts.
> >
> > The exact text from the article...
> >
> >
> >
> > Earlier in the week City Councilman James Keady said the
> > shootings are not just a criminal problem but stem from social
> > issues. "The roots of the problem are not criminal, they're
social,"
> > he said.
> >
> > One of the underpinning issues is poverty as well as a sense of
> > hopelessness among young African-American men in the
city. "It's
> > serious stuff," Keady said. "As a community, we've really got to
> > begin to address the roots of these issues."
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
> > <justifiedright@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple"
<asburycouple@>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Tom, I'm not a huge fan of Mr. Keady but based on your own
post
> > > > below you are clearly and apparently intentionally taking
his
> > > > statement and twisting it to suit your own agenda of
attacking
> > > >him.
> > >
> > >
> > > Nice try again.
> > >
> > > JK can't escape (and neither can anyone else) that he said the
> > cause
> > > of the shootings was NOT CRIMINAL (nothing confusing
about "not"
> > > or "criminal").
> > >
> > > This wasn't an offhand remark. To further emphasize his view
that
> > > the cause here was NOT CRIMINAL, he offered what he thought
was the
> > > cause it was caused by society.
> > >
> > > To further emphasize that he thought the cause was NOT
CRIMINAL, he
> > > even gave a list of things society has done to this poor
shooter,
> > to
> > > wit: Society has deprived him of "recreation" and a "youth
job."
> > >
> > > That's what JK said. The cause of this shooting was NOT
CRIMINAL,
> > > but of different causes. You take exception to my repeating
that
> > JK
> > > said the shootings were "not criminal?" Suddenly he didn't
say it
> > > just because I repeated it? That's your problem, not mine.
> > >
> > > [Not to pull rank as a lawyer, which I always avoid here, but
if
> > the
> > > cause was not criminal, he couldn't be convicted of a crime.
I
> > > won't hold JK or anyone else to knowing that technicality].
> > >
> > > Let's refute JK's premise:
> > >
> > > A lack of recreation and a youth job does not CAUSE someone to
> > shoot
> > > a teenager in the face. BEING A CRIMINAL causes someone to
shoot a
> > > teenager in the face. Only a fool would buy into a causation
theory
> > > between recreation and the cold-bloodedness of murder.
> > >
> > > This isn't a time for moral equivocation. Make a value
judgment.
> > > Shooting a teenager in the face is evil and what causes one to
have
> > > the capability to do that is the heart, mind and soul of a
> > > CRIMINAL. The CAUSE here is CRIMINAL, as opposed to NOT
CRIMINAL,
> > > like JK said.
> > >
> > > Oh how fortunate the children are to have a shepherd such as
he!
> > > What message do the teenagers take from JK? "Hey, a community
> > > leader gave a number of excuses why the shooter did it. We
> > > have "reasons" for doing it, straight from a councilman! JK
will
> > > make excuses for "why" we did it!" Nothing like putting a
little
> > > moral equivocation into the minds of children (no way he
should
> > > lecture in the schools).
> > >
> > > The better message, from an unwavering voice of human morality
> > would
> > > have been, "This is a heinous act. Anyone who would shoot a
> > > teenager in the face is a criminal (as opposed to NOT
CRIMINAL) and
> > > that person made the darkest of choices that should never,
ever be
> > > made. Furious justice and a life in prison awaits him."
> > >
> > > Certainly not, "Poor boy lacked alternatives."
> > >
> > > Cry for JK all you want. It's nothing personal - his
leadership
> > is
> > > dangerous, because he's been waiting his whole life to
publicly
> > > recite nice sounding platitudes, and does so even when they
can
> > > cause harm.
> > >
> >
>
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