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You think Hitler was religious? He was a social Darwinist. He believed in the survival of the fittest theory, annointed Germans most fit, and figured he would speed up the process by killing the Jews who he saw as inferior. Darwinism gone wild. The country was religious; heavy duty Protestant and Catholic. That being said, don't address anything I post. Sounds like a Fascist command; I' sure you didn't mean it to sound that way. The board does not want to read you and I going at it. I have absolutely no interest in a dialogue with you; just taking care of the kind of history that gets posted here, for the record. Can't debate with ideologues; they just drag you to their level. ========Original Message======== Subj: [AsburyPark] Re: Justified Right Date: 3/7/2007 11:09:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) Sent on: Obviously the High School you teach at is free. You think Hitler was religious? He was a social Darwinist. He believed in the survival of the fittest theory, annointed Germans most fit, and figured he would speed up the process by killing the Jews who he saw as inferior. Darwinism gone wild. That being said, don't address anything I post. The board does not want to read you and I going at it. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mari > > > In reference to this profound analysist: > > > Stalin - Hitler - Mao. About 20 million dead thanks to the 3 non- religious > guys. I'll take the believers as leaders any day. > > > > And then there were those deeply "religious" countries Germany and Italy to > name the most familiar examples of Christian countries that had no problem > cozying up, quite comfortably, with fascism: Hitler, Mussolini. et al. > > The folks who conducted the Salem witch trials were very religious. And the > folks who hounded Galileo? > > The inquisition? All heavy-duty believers. > > And the folks who see Jesus or Mary in Dunkin' Donuts? > > And the puritans who beheaded a King; they could only lead for 12 years > before they were booted out. > > ============ ====== ====== ====== ====== ==== > > > > > Beware the self-proclaimed political theorists who provide information "a > mile wide, and an inch shallow." > > Sometimes they're merely cherry-picking ideologues. > > ========Original Message===== == > Subj: [AsburyPark] Re: Justified Right Date: 3/7/2007 9:30:38 P.M. Eastern > Standard Time From: _justifiedright@ Stan > (mailto:justifiedri (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]@_As_ (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) _ (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) ) > Sent on: > > > > Jack if it is fair to bring up examples of religious people you > think have failed, then I suppose it is fair for me to bring to your > attention three non-religious, Secular Humanist/Darwinists of the > 20th Century: > > Stalin - Hitler - Mao. > > About 20 million dead thanks to the 3 non-religious guys. > > I'll take the believers as leaders any day. > > --- In _AsburyPark@ --- In _AsburyPar (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) ) , > "Hinge" <hinge98@> wrote: > > > > I don't want to change the fact that I "live in a religious > country" > > I just don't want it affecting my life. > > As for America being very religious, perhaps it is, but I think > that > > in many regards, America's religious establishments have made a > > mockery of themselves. Take all the priest sex scandals? What about > > people like GW who's very religious, but he's lied to the public > on a > > number of occasions (although maybe he was just relaying info he > > thought was true). Before and during the war, GW has brought God > into > > nearly every speech he's done, yet because of his misguided war, > 3100 > > plus US soldiers, and countless Iraqi's have died. What about the > Abu > > Grabe abuse? What "god" would let that happen? What about the anti > > abortion religious kooks who think it's ok to blow up clinics and > harm > > innocent people? > > As far as i'm concerned, religion is not a fact. I'd be happy to > > change that opinion if somebody could provide me with absolute > proof, > > but I don't see that happening anytime soon > > --- In _AsburyPark@ --- In _Asbury (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) ) , > "justifiedright" > > <justifiedright@> wrote: > > > > > > The point is you are living in a religious country. You want to > > > change that, and that's your right to try. However, you have no > > > right to stop me from pointing out that your prior posts seemed > to > > > ignore history and law. > > > > > > America is a very religious country. > > > > > > You feel religion plays to big a role in our governing. I say > its > > > too small. > > > > > > To each our own. > > > > > > --- In _AsburyPark@ --- In _AsburyPa (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) ) , > "Hinge" <hinge98@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Is your point that because i'm in the minority when it comes to > > > > religion, my views are any less important? Is your point that > I > > > just > > > > have to accept the fact that religious influence on issue's in > our > > > > country are correct? I think the religious influence is way > out of > > > > control. I really don't think it has any place in the > governing of > > > our > > > > country. > > > > > > > > --- In _AsburyPark@ --- In _Asbury (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) ) > , "Hinge" <hinge98@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > And? What's your point? > > > > > > > > > > --- In _AsburyPark@ --- In _AsburyPa > (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) ) , "justifiedright" > > > > > <justifiedright@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You may not be religious, but your country is. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In _AsburyPark@ --- In _AsburyPa > (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) ) , "Hinge" <hinge98@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are partially right; > > > > > > > "The first amendment to the US Constitution > states "Congress > > > shall > > > > > > make no law > > > > > > > respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting > the > > > free > > > > > > exercise thereof". Both > > > > > > > these clauses, known as the "establishment clause" and > > > the "free > > > > > > exercise clause" > > > > > > > respectively, are significant. To give perspective, > there > > > was a > > > > > > great conservation of > > > > > > > language in the Bill of Rights; the intention was to > avoid > > > > > > creating loopholes, while still > > > > > > > providing a buffer between the Legislature and the most > > > basic > > > > > > rights of the people. It is > > > > > > > significant, then, that there are two clauses where one > > > would > > > > > > suffice, were the intention > > > > > > > only to prevent respect for a religious establishment or > > > only to > > > > > > protect free exercise." > > > > > > > Even though i'm a non-believer, I respect people that > do. I > > > just > > > > > > feel that religion is playing > > > > > > > way to big a role in our countries politics. That role > is > > > making > > > > > > an assumption that religion > > > > > > > is "fact" and that we are all religious. > > > > > > > --- In _AsburyPark@ --- In _AsburyPa > (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) ) , "justifiedright" > > > > > > <justifiedright@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In _AsburyPark@ --- In _Asbury > (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) ) , "Hinge" <hinge98@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But it's in the Constitution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No it isn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In my opinion, my rights are being violated every > single > > > time > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > religion has an influence in the decisions made in > our > > > country. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I should be forced to denounce my religion before > > > entering a > > > > > > voting > > > > > > > > booth? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <BR><BR><BR><WBR>****<WBR>****<WBR>****<WBR>****<W<BR> AOL now offers free > email to everyone. 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