Making the same pitch on the same topic against the
same argument yet another time before the year is over
:-)
A few points:
Growth is SOMETHING. And it is always better than no
growth (or negative growth as some states have had the
opportunity to do so). Without growth there isn't
anything around to distribute amongst people.
In Murthy's state of Karnataka, Murthy isn't the one
making it like a bandit. South India exceeds the
growth rate of China. South India also records an
average income growth in the last decade across
different sections of society higher than in the North
Indian states. Many farmers around Bangalore have had
the good fortune to sell land to tbe BPOs (and
unfortunately Deve Gowda wanted some land that went to
Infy - which is how the brouhaha began). Unfortunately
if that growth did not happen, there was no question
of that average income growth.
The growth of South India was not the result of
central planning. That happened despite it. The use of
Tamil Nadu as a center for small car manufacture was
fought for and won based on a better marketing
capability of the Tamil Nadu government - despite
Delhi and Haryana having a 15 year lead over Tamil
Nadu (or for that matter Bengal having a 70 year
lead).
To where the central planning activities were focused
- the BIMARU states - those are the ones that drag
India's growth rate down. They also are the ones that
did nothing in terms of engendering better governance
in the state level. And by the way, they are the ones
that did not register income growth across any of the
sections of society.
--- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ram:
>
> >If this is systemic and the problems are pervasive,
> how is it that
> >some states >are registering higher growth rate
>
>
> *** First off, GROWTH rate is not everything. A
> state can show growth
> because a few are making out like bandits while the
> rest remain where
> they have always been.
>
> Incidentally the question about Murthy's accusations
> came because he
> was attacked by politicians from Karnataka - your
> high growth rate
> state, Deve Gowda etc., for supposedly not doing
> enough for
> Karnataka while enjoying its resources to build
> Infosys or some such
> thing.
>
>
> >'Regional Imbalance'
>
> *** 'Regional Imbalances' has one fatal flaw: It
> accepts CENTRAL
> PLANNING and Delhi's controls as good, or as a fact
> of life. Truth is
> neither.
>
> >Lack of growth and development cannot be ALL
> because of poor governance.
>
> *** That is true. However, in the Indian context,
> since the Central
> Govt. has usurped all significant powers,
> controlling everything; its
> performance, its governance has assumed a
> responsibility but has
> failed to deliver.
>
>
> >the idea of making a complete turn-around of areas
> plagued by
> >systemic problems >will take a long time.
>
> *** But when did it begin? Where is the trend of
> changing, of
> reforms? Where is the political will to effect
> meaningful reforms.
> They don't exist. And thus little will change. Show
> me a trend and I
> will believe.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 3:10 PM -0600 12/30/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
> >C'da,
> >
> >>systemically wrong with Indian governance
> >
> >While I do agree that a lot needs to be done in
> this area, the idea of
> >making a complete turn-around of areas plagued by
> systemic problems
> >will take a long time.
> >The Indian Governmental system does have checks and
> balances, so the
> >problem really lies with many of those who are in
> charge
> >(ministers/bureaucrats). Any system will have
> loopholes, but it has
> >become a past time in India for people to take
> advantage of these
> >loopholes.
> >
> >In the end, systemic problems are caused by a few
> functions,
> >(a) bureaucrats and ministers who are corrupt and
> inept
> >(b) a populace that is willing to take whatever is
> dished out and
> >reelecting the same scoundrels every election cycle
> >and
> >(c) a business climate where a lot of attention
> seems to be diverted
> >to duping/taking advantage of the government
> (country) , people and
> >the exchequer.
> >
> >Yes, I agree with what Murthy says inspite of the
> fact that there may
> >be that polititcian that is willing to put the
> country's need before
> >himself.
> >
> >> Suresh Prabhu of Shiv Sena accepted the
> criticism but said the need of the
> >> hour was to focus on reforming the politics, its
> institutions and its
> >> functionaries rather than indulge in
> mud-slinging
> >
> >Prabhu's statement seems to be more for the press
> and it is a good
> >suggestion. The Shiv Sena have not been stalwarts
> either. There have
> >been many accusations of corruption and extortion
> on businesses and
> >Bollywood leveled against the.
> >
> >I would rather tend to side with Murthy on this.
> >
> >BTW- all this begs the question: If this is
> systemic and the problems
> >are pervasive, how is it that some states are
> registering higher
> >growth rates (than national average), while others
> are far below - 3rd
> >world standards. Many of the ones that have NOT
> done well are in the
> >northern/Central states - from where the GOI is
> supposedly controlled.
> >The article I sent on 'Regional Imbalance' is a
> case in point.
> >Lack of growth and development cannot be ALL
> because of poor
> >governance. To poor governance, if one were to add
> a good measure of a
> >few other unfavorable ingredients, we could see a
> Bihar in the making
> >all over India and in every state.
> >
> >-- Ram
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On 12/30/05, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >> The following after yesterday's criticism from
> Narayana Murthy.
> >>
> >> Ram, you might look at Suresh Prabhu's comment
> below. I point that out for
> >> those of you who claim that there is nothing
> systemically wrong with Indian
> >> governance -- and thus it is a problem with
> people-BAD people that is!
> >>
> >> (The empheses mine).
> > >
> >> cm
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Narayana Murthy at the receiving end
> >> [ Friday, December 30, 2005 10:11:10 pmTIMES
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> >> NEW DELHI: Leaders across the political
> spectrum have come out strongly
> >> against Infosys chief N R Narayana Murthy's
> criticism of the political
> >> class, which he said, was "inept" and "corrupt"
> and did not own up to
> >> responsibility for its failures. Many felt that
> Murthy's criticism, made on
> >> Wednesday at a function in Bangalore, was
> "abusive" in nature.
> >>
> >> An agitated Sharad Yadav, head of Janata Dal
> (United), asked Murthy to stay
> >> "within limits". He said politicians faced a
> difficult job in marrying
> >> aspirations of a heterogeneous mass of people.
> "I challenge him to contest
> >> one election and see it for himself. On the
> other hand, I can run a company
> >> easily because there you don't have to face
> people and are free to do what
> >> you want to," he fumed.
> >>
> >> The general feeling was that complexities of
> politics were being ignored,
> >> as sweeping generalisations were being made
> against
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