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I said HISTORY SINCE YANDABU XONDHI
which means what happened AFTER YANDABU XONDHI even if we forget the Xondhi
on the basis of which British occupied and rulled Assam till 1947.
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:22
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] MC Mahanta's
bamboo-reinforcement
<Any independence movement
based on Assam's past history since Yandabu Xondhi is rather weak now
and will get weaker everyday>
We see this postulation
180 degrees from the truth.
By the way The Xondhi was between
some gun-toting Limey merchant and some impostor of an illiterate Maan
prince (Like the Kanwar Natwar Singh or some tilika of today's
Oxom).
None of
Assam/Oxom/Asom/Ohkhom was involved in the Xondhi
writing.
Anyway History is Is you
know ----what.
mm
From: "Barua25" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Ram
Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: "mc mahant"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<assam@assamnet.org>
Subject:
Re: [Assam] MC Mahanta's bamboo-reinforcement
Date: Thu, 31 Aug
2006 21:15:56 -0500
>How can you be in the middle? I doubt, if one could find anyone
(Assamese) who is neither here nor there :-)
Are you sure all
the people of Assam either for or against independence? Many people
may not support independence simply because at present they may not see
anything to support. It does not mean however that all those
people are against independence of Assam.
>I was not aware of
this.
This is basic elementary history stuff
which all people of Assam should know.
>But if this the case, then the
most important question is: Why this movement for independence?
Are the pro->independence people just brushing aside history? Why are
they now claiming otherwise?
Well there can be movement for
independence without the support of history based on the present state of
affairs if the people are for independence for whatver reasons. But I don't
see any movement on this basis. I don't see any discussions or debates
on this in a democratic process. Do you see any? Any independence movement
based on Assam's past history since Yandabu Xondhi is rather weak now and
will get weaker everyday, unlike that of the Nagas who has a stronger claim
and who has been fighting for their independence since 1940s. (Please note
that we Assamese never supported the independence movement of the Nagas and
rather supported the GOI in supressing the Nagas, BTW).
>I thought that this independence
movement was not based on cultural or historical differences or events, but
on the >aspirations of a few people for power.
I think you are wrong again. There are
cultural and historical differences. That is the crux of the problem.
History, language, culture, dress, food, religion - Assamese are different
than the rest of the Indians. However, in Assam there is a conflict
between the Aryan and Mongoloid culture. Since independence and before,
caste Hindu Assamese intellectuals are pulling towards Pan Indian Hindu
culture undermining much of the Mongoloid culture and diluting much of the
Assamese original culture. The attempt to abolish the name
'Assam' (which is an Assamese word derived from the word 'Shyam' which is
based on original Tai-Ahom source) is a latest case in point angainst the
supression of the Mongolid culture. However, Assam is at present
without any cultural or political leader to make things right, and nobody is
protesting openly. However all these pent up anger will lead Assam
into much darker future where all ethnic groups fighting against each
other.
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 1:14
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] MC Mahanta's
bamboo-reinforcement
Dear Barua,
>This should not be
interpreted to mean that I support (or >object) Independence of
Assam
How can you be in the middle? I
doubt, if one could find anyone (Assamese) who is neither here nor there
:-)
> If you read
history, Assam was actually begging Gandhi and Nehru and the >Congress,
before 1947, so that Assam can stay with India. (Please! let us
>stay with you guys, ami apwnalwkor nkina golam hoi thakim).
This is some very interesting
history. I was not aware of this. But if this the case, then the most
important question is: Why this movement for indpendence? Are
the pro-independence people just brushing aside history? Why are they now
claiming otherwise?
I wrote a post some days ago
(forget the exact words), where I thought that this indepenence movement
was not based on cultural or historial differences or events, but on the
aspirations of a few people for power. All they did was to play up on the
emotions of sections of the Assamese on issues like step-motherly
treatment, economically being sidelined etc. to keep the movement alive.
> (Is there any field
where Assam is taking a leadership role?)
How about bandhs? :-). No,
no, its not so bad. Today, we see many Assamese in leading roles
throughout India, both in Govt. and in the private sectors. But,
unfortunately, very few poistive things are happening in Assam itself.
--Ram
On 8/31/06, Barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Ram:
Thanks.
Couple of clarifications
lest people mis-interpret my statement.
>Assamese are suffering
from an acute inferiority complex.
>That is why they want
to stay with India and are staying with India and will stay with India
forever.
>That is why they never
raised their voice to stay as an independent country at the time of
India's independence.
>Even now hardly any
Assamese are raising their voice for independence.
The above statement of mine
is just a statement of the realty. This should not be interpreted
to mean that I support (or object) Independence of Assam. I am
simply saying that Assamese is not a warrior people with high National
spirit or unity like the Nagas or other people and donot have the
will, courage, spirit and love of freedom for independence. I agree
that 'independence' is definitely a 'pipe dream' now (specially
since we donot have any leader), but probably it was not a pipe dream
when Assam was under the British till 1947. (I have my own
analysis why Assam lost the freedom spirit after 1857 when Maniram Dewan
was hanged). Today, whether we NEED independence or not is completely
another subject.
The second realty is that,
Assamese is not even an equal partner in the Indian Independence
movement and in the Indian Democratic game today. If you read history,
Assam was actually begging Gandhi and Nehru and the Congress, before
1947, so that Assam can stay with India. (Please! let us stay
with you guys, ami apwnalwkor nkina golam hoi thakim). There
was no movement for an Independent Assam as an alternative to joining
Pakistan. Assam could have very well say it to the British, at that
time: Please give us back our Assam that you took from us in 1826. But
Assam did not. In fact the Assamese were so happy to be a part of
India that Assamese wanted to forget the six hundred years of Ahom rule.
Assamese novelist wrote novels 'Kwnw Khed Nai" (No Regret)
ridiculing the six hundred years of Ahom rule. Eminent man of literature
took comfort and wrote auto-biography titled : "Kongresor Kasioli
Rodot". This is a realty.
Now having joined
India on its own choice (or its own begging) we are complaining
that India is treating Assam like a step child. Today the
insurgency in Assam is happening as a negative outlet because of lack of
leadership in Assam. It is not a positive movement for independence by
any means.
Your statement that
"They
very well know that their lot is in much better state staying with India
than being independent."
Actually people of Assam donot have any choice, do they?
Your statement also goes to show that people of Assam lack even the
confidence in their own people. In other words it goes to prove my
statement that they are suffering from a acute inferiority complex.
If one
analyze the stream of events, one will come to the conclusion, that
Assamese is a follower, a litikai to the mainland Indians. (Is there any
field where Assam is taking a leadership role?) This is a realty.
That is and will be Assam's
lot till we can create new and competent leaders. The earlier we realize
this the better so that we can act.
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006
12:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] MC Mahanta's
bamboo-reinforcement
Dear Barua,
>Even now hardly any
Assamese are raising their voice for >independence.
Very few actually raised
the voice of independence, and fewer still do so today. I think, in
case for independence, most Assamese are actually being savvy and and
realize what a pipe dream this venture really is. They very well know
that their lot is in much better state staying with India than being
independent. That is why, you will find very few voices for
independence.
I doubt they are
being 'litikai' at all.
Just my
thoughts.
--Ram
On 8/28/06, Barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I thought I never had
to respond.
Assamese are suffereing
from an acute inferiority complex.
That is why they want
to stay with India and are staying with India and will stay with
India forever.
That is why they never
raised their voice to stay as an independent country at the
time of India's independence.
Even now hardly any
Assamese are raising their voice for independence.
Today Assamese are not
even complaining against the GOI. They are simply saying that GOI is
treating Assam like a step child. All Assam wants, is GOI to treat
them as a 'legitimate child.' They dream of the day when Mai Bap GOI
would treat them as their own child. That is all they want.
That is the highest
dream of an Assamese. As a result they wait for GOI's
command to say what Assam would do so that they follow GOI like
a 'litikai' and can please GOI.
Assamese could solve
lot of their problems if simply they would stand up and voice in
confidence.
They are suffering so
much in inferiority complex, they even shy away to pronounce Oxom
and are trying to say Asom so that their big brothers would not
laugh. There is hardly any Assamese intellectual left in Assam. They
even donot know their own history and culture.
Poor, pathetic
'litikai' Assamese with their 'tilika' minds.
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006
11:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] MC
Mahanta's bamboo-reinforcement
Rajen:
>It is an Assamese
problem of inferiority complex. Nobody will save the Assamese. We
should stop blamimg the GOI.
*** Can you explain how or why it is an Assamese problem only,
free of any connection or responsibility of GoI?
It is important to understand that, if your advice to 'stop
blaming GoI' is to be taken seriously.
c
At 11:12 PM -0500 8/22/06, Barua25 wrote:
>Not just no-
drinking/washing water-
>No solid waste
management/garbage collection/disposal fit for a
city
>No sewer/sewage
treatment/ storm-water disposal
Why we don't
hear any of these news in Kharkhowa News Papers? Why the news
papers in are interested in news from mainland India instead?
It is an
Assamese problem of inferiority complex. Nobody will save the
Assamese. We should stop blamimg the GOI.
RB
----- Original Message -----
From: mc mahant
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 11:21
AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] MC Mahanta's
bamboo-reinforcement
Not just no- drinking/washing water-
No solid waste management/garbage
collection/disposal fit for a city
No sewer/sewage treatment/ storm-water
disposal
Raw sewage from so-called Septic tanks of 2
million people just dumped into the pure river.What
happens to the health of Kamrup/Goalpara/Dhubri--and the whole
nation -Bangladesh?
And Delhi's very own Refinery dumps daily 100 tons
of Oil waste direct to river or through Guahati drain
system/Bharalu and no Pollution Control Board dares to touch
them.
Indian Science does not know/cares to know
that 1 drop of oil spreads to a film of 100 sq mtr opaque for
Oxygen.
No Oxygen-> no planktons->no fish->no Xihoo
(River Porpoise).
Who Cares!
P.S.Thanks for the free publicity {MC
Mahanta's bamboo-reinforcement}
Let ignorance/bigotry/mediocrity
thrive!!!
mm
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
assam@assamnet.org
Subject: Re:
[Assam] MC Mahanta's
bamboo-reinforcement
Date: Tue, 22 Aug
2006 08:55:48 -0500
>This whole notion of a city,
with as large a population as Guahati,
>not having a
municipal water supply system is absolutely atrocious,
>and that while sitting on the bank of the
Brahmaputra.
>
>It is entirely a result of the
dysfunctional desi-system of governance; which
>is
unaccountable to anyone, made up of thoroughly incompetent
people, and who
>do not have a clue as to how to tap
into the abilities and skills of
>its own
people.
>
>Nothing could change for the better
under this system. Only option is
>to dump it and build
a new society from its ashes.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>At
6:48 AM -0700 8/22/06, Rajib Das wrote:
> >The big
problem is there is no water under your land
> >in
Guwahati. As there are areas, including my house,
>
>where city water supply does not reach. Not that
it
> >would help greatly. At least 3 to 4 months of a
year,
> >it is the same problem.
>
>
> >So the problem exists. The solution is not
under your
> >plot of land. If Brahmaputra water can
be
> >appropriately filtered and sold, that is a
different
> >animal all together.
>
>
>
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