Whose slogans about socialism or semi-socialism (or
communism) has worked at all????

Fidelda's???

--- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ram:
> 
> >for a country that has been stagnating for years on
> a semi-socialistic setup,
> 
> *** India was NEVER socialistic or even
> semi-socialistic. India's 
> slogans about socialism, at best, was a cover for
> protecting those 
> industries that supported and financed politicians,
> from competition, 
> for decades. The other result was
> to discourage and PREVENT  entrepreneurship.
> 
> *** Socialist countries improved basic services for
> their populations 
> dramatically: in sound primary education, in basic
> healthcare, basic 
> shelter and
> eradication of hunger.
> 
> You look at India's performance on these fronts and
> you will know 
> what a big lie India's commitments to socialism
> were.
> 
> c-da
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> At 10:34 PM -0500 9/18/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
> >Thanks C'da for forwarding that.
> >
> >This is indeed a sad scenario. IMHO, the shift in
> policy decisions 
> >at the Center, often hurt the poorest of the
> country. On the other 
> >hand, for a country that has been stagnating for
> years on a 
> >semi-socialistic setup, the early 90s seemed to
> give her that one 
> >shot she needed to play in the big leagues.
> >
> >I think its a difficult thing to balance this
> opportunity to become 
> >an economic power and at the same time improving
> the lot of the poor.
> >
> >At present, I am reading a book "The End of
> Poverty" by Prof. 
> >Jeffrey Sachs (Columbia). Sachs makes convincing
> reading as 
> >he discusses poverty, social and economic problems
> facing India's 
> >middle and lower middle classes, and the economic
> benefits 
> >that others (IT sector for example) seem to be
> enjoying.
> >
> >Nevertheless, this is a very serious problem for
> India, and needs to 
> >find longterm solutions, specially if it wants to
> play in the big 
> >league. It can't be one, if a sizable population is
> left behind.
> >
> >--Ram
> >
> >
> >
> >--Ram
> >
> >
> >
> >On 9/18/06, Chan Mahanta 
> ><<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >On India's Despairing Farms, a Plague of Suicide
> >
> >
> >By SOMINI SENGUPTA
> >
> >Published: September 19, 2006
> >
> >
> >
> >BHADUMARI, India - Here in the center of India, on
> a gray Wednesday
> >morning, a cotton farmer swallowed a bottle of
> pesticide and fell
> >dead at the threshold of his small mud house.
> >
> >The farmer, Anil Kondba Shende, 31, left behind a
> wife and two small
> >sons, debts that his family knew about only vaguely
> and a soggy,
> >ruined 3.5-acre patch of cotton plants that had
> been his only source
> >of income.
> >
> >Whether it was debt, shame or some other privation
> that drove Mr.
> >Shende to kill himself rests with him alone. But
> his death was by no
> >means an isolated one, and in it lay an alarming
> reminder of the
> >crisis facing the Indian farmer.
> >
> >Across the country in desperate pockets like this
> one, 17,107 farmers
> >committed suicide in 2003, the most recent year for
> which government
> >figures are available. Anecdotal reports suggest
> that the high rates
> >are continuing.
> >
> >Though the crisis has been building for years, it
> presents an
> >increasingly thorny political challenge for Prime
> Minister Manmohan
> >Singh and his relations with the United States.
> High suicide rates
> >and rural despair helped topple the previous
> government two years ago
> >and put Mr. Singh in power.
> >
> >Changes brought on by 15 years of economic reforms
> have opened Indian
> >farmers to global competition and given them access
> to expensive and
> >promising biotechnology, but not necessarily opened
> the way to higher
> >prices, bank loans, irrigation or insurance against
> pests and rain.
> >
> >Mr. Singh's government, which has otherwise emerged
> as a strong ally
> >of America, has become one of the loudest critics
> in the developing
> >world of Washington's $18 billion a year in
> subsidies to its own
> >farmers, which have helped drive down the price of
> cotton for farmers
> >like Mr. Shende.
> >
> >At the same time, frustration is building in India
> with American
> >multinational companies peddling costly,
> genetically modified seeds.
> >They have made deep inroads in rural India - a vast
> and alluring
> >market - bringing new opportunities but also new
> risks as Indian
> >farmers pile up debt.
> >
> >In this central Indian cotton-growing area, known
> as Vidarbha, the
> >unofficial death toll from suicides, compiled by a
> local advocacy
> >group and impossible to verify, was 767 in a
> 14-month period that
> >ended in late August.
> >
> >"The suicides are an extreme manifestation of some
> deep-seated
> >problems which are now plaguing our agriculture,"
> said M. S.
> >Swaminathan, the geneticist who was the scientific
> leader of India's
> >Green Revolution 40 years ago and is now chairman
> of the National
> >Commission on Farmers. "They are climatic. They are
> economic. They
> >are social."
> >
> >India's economy may be soaring, but agriculture
> remains its Achilles'
> >heel, the source of livelihood for hundreds of
> millions of people but
> >a fraction of the nation's total economy and a
> symbol of its abiding
> >difficulties.
> >
> >In what some see as an ominous trend, food
> production, once India's
> >great pride, has failed to keep pace with the
> nation's population
> >growth in the last decade.
> >
> 
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