> >For the enterprising there is always a way --ethics is >a debatable issue :-) thats why there are courts and >lawyers to discuss such things. Business is >competition --not philosophy!! As long as you are not >killing or persecuting someone you are an ethical >business-person.
*** Question is if this is Harvard ethics, or desi ethics? At 7:49 PM +0100 9/26/06, umesh sharma wrote: >Ram-da, > >I meant that while on studet or work visa you cannot >work in your own company but you can hire a local guy >(like my unemployed US citizen NRI kid ex-housemate) >and pay some money to work for me (atleast on paper) . >This was told to me by my landlord -who set up a IT >consutlacy firm while on US work visa . > >For the enterprising there is always a way --ethics is >a debatable issue :-) thats why there are courts and >lawyers to discuss such things. Business is >competition --not philosophy!! As long as you are not >killing or persecuting someone you are an ethical >business-person. > >Umesh > >--- Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Umesh, >> >> > am indeed thinking of setting up a firm in US - >> I'm >> >told even on student visa one can set up a US firm >> as >> >long as you rope in someone else (US citizen ) *to >> do >> >the dirty work :-)* >> >> You don't mean the 'unethical' stuff do you? Man - I >> tell you, this Harvard >> ed. not only teaches you ethics, but makes sure you >> get someone else to do >> the dirty work! :)) >> >> --Ram da >> >> * >> >> * >> >> >> On 9/26/06, umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> > >> > Ram-da and C-da, >> > >> > I am indeed thinking of setting up a firm in US - >> I'm >> > told even on student visa one can set up a US firm >> as >> > long as you rope in someone else (US citizen ) to >> do >> > the dirty work :-) >> > >> > I think a reading of the extremely pirated book : >> What >> > they don't teach at Harvard Business School >> --would be >> > useful to anyone interested in building confidence >> to >> > start a business. I do have some business >> experience >> > since my teen years -helping my father set-up a >> iron >> > junk trading business. Slow and steady wins the >> race. >> > He had no degree in business or commerce -just >> advice >> > from established players in the field. >> > >> > I did an MBA from a small rural town in India - >> the >> > kind which Cambridge city was (near Boston) when >> > Harvard Univ was set up -and the city was named >> after >> > Cambridge Univ from which many of its residents >> had >> > graduated. In today's world of Opensource >> courseware >> > (liek MIT's gift to the world) even univs in India >> or >> > Assam in particular - can teach what is taught at >> > Harvard. >> > >> > In that sense those who have gone abroad /outside >> > Assam and got business experience can certainly >> use >> > their contacts and skills. >> > >> > Regards. >> > >> > Umesh >> > >> > ****A start though maybe to introduce a course in >> > > entrepreneurship >> > > > (specifically >designed for the local market >> > > there). >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > *** It is ALL about risks and benefits Ram. IF >> > > someone can make a decent >> > > > living >> > > > WITHOUT taking the risks implicit in >> enterprise, >> > > and one does not yearn >> > > > for those EXTRA benefits or earnings that >> COULD >> > > come from business, then you >> > > > won't see entrepreneurship. Almost all of us >> > > kharkhowa expats here have an >> > > > education that ensures a decent living without >> the >> > > risks involved. And most >> > > > of us are quite happy with our lot, without >> the >> > > desire to acquire MORE, that >> > > > could come from a profitable business. So why > > take >> > > on the hassles of >> > > > business/enterprise? >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >From what I gather, Harvard is one of the few >> > > institutions that offer a >> > > > course >in entrepreneurship (and ethics) in >> their >> > > Business School. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > *** Perhaps Umesh will blaze a trail here. Or > > > > would he :-)? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > --- Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > > C'da, >> > > >> > > >*** No, that is not what I wrote. The comment >> was >> > > about the expertise of >> > > the >preachers. Surprised that you who have a >> keen >> > > eye for words and phrases >> > > and their >hidden meanings, not to mention the >> ones >> > > staring at the reader >> > > >> > > You are right. Must have slipped thru somehow. >> Just >> > > making these preachers >> > > the same as the actual bidnessmen. So, what you >> are >> > > saying is that there are >> > > very few experts (at least the ones we come >> across) >> > > who are cabable of >> > > giving sound advice on business startup, and >> lest we >> > > forget, on capital >> > > acquisition. >> > > >> > > >*** Are you implying "maahor maar dekhi tile' >> bet >> > > melile'" here >Ram :-)? >> > > >> > > Well, one never knows how far you could dig into >> > > those dreaded archives, and >> > > fish out something. Just not taking chances here >> :) >> > > :) >> > > >> > > >>Now, of course didn't happen to ask any of >> our >> > > ulfa leaders too, did you? >> > > >> > > >*** No I did not. Mainly because I don't know >> any. >> > > Do you know some? If you >> > > do, >perhaps* you* can pose the question to >> them. >> > > >> > > Of course, I don't know any either. But I >> thought, >> > > since you were the one >> > > asking these tricky(pesky) questions, and since >> you >> > > are so 'fair and >> > > balanced' you perhaps would have made sure to >> ask >> > > both parties :Sulfa and >> > > ulfa. Both have managed to raise huge amounts of >> > > capital (and without the >> > > proverbial collateral). >> > > >> > > >*** Perhaps Umesh will blaze a trail here. Or >> > > would he :-)? >> > > >> > > Poor Umesh! He just took the Education degree, >> not >> > > the bidness, and who >> > > knows whether he took the ethics course (from >> which, >> > > of course, most Indians >> > > are exempt) :) :) >> > > >> > > --Ram >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On 9/26/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Ram: >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >You are not suggesting that a vast majority >> of >> > > Kharkhowas are clueless >> > > > about starting a business, are you?, ie no >> > > entrepreneurial spirit - whether >> > > > they are in Assam or here? >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > *** No, that is not what I wrote. The comment >> was >> > > about the expertise of >> > > > the preachers. Surprised that you who have a >> keen >> > > eye for words and phrases >> > > > and their hidden meanings, not to mention the >> ones >> > > staring at the reader, >> > > > did not get it :-). >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > However we DID examine the reasons for so few >> of >> > > us kharkhowa expats . >> > > > being in business enterprises, even though >> here in >> > > the USA for example, it >> > > > is far,far of easier to get into, than it is >> in >> > > India, or Assam. But it is >> > > > NOT because of a defective gene as some like >> to >> > > suggest :-). Our >> > > > risk-averseness has many reasons, all are >> > > sociologically and educationally >> > > > conditioned responses. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >Now, of course didn't happen to ask any of >> our >> > > ulfa leaders too, did you? >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > *** No I did not. Mainly because I don't know >> any. >> > > Do you know some? If >> > > > you do, perhaps* you* can pose the question to >> > > them. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > However it is a fact, that ULFA leaders >> are/were >> > > far more entrepreneurial >> > > > and courageous risk-takers with leadership >> > > abilities than the average >> > > > population. That is why you also saw so many >> SULFA >> > > cadres get into it too. >> > > > They also had a huge advantage as SULFAs: Free > > > > capital, bankrolled by the " >> > > > government of the people", without any >> requirement >> > > for paying back; a >> > > > private system of justice by which they could >> > > ensure market share, >> > > > collection of payments and debts and ensure >> bid >> > > winning. I know some nasty >> > > > people decried that, but aren't those the > > right >> > > requisites for business >> > > > enterprises ? >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >Hehehe! that does it for me. I will try not >> to >> > > suggest any ideas for >> > > > >entrepreneurship (at this time at least) >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > *** Are you implying "maahor maar dekhi tile' >> bet >> > > melile'" here Ram :-)? >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >A start though maybe to introduce a course in >> > > entrepreneurship >> > > > (specifically >designed for the local market >> > > there). >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > *** It is ALL about risks and benefits Ram. IF >> > > someone can make a decent >> > > > living >> > > > WITHOUT taking the risks implicit in >> enterprise, >> > > and one does not yearn >> > > > for those EXTRA benefits or earnings that >> COULD >> > > come from business, then you >> > > > won't see entrepreneurship. Almost all of us >> > > kharkhowa expats here have an >> > > > education that ensures a decent living without >> the >> > > risks involved. And most >> > > > of us are quite happy with our lot, without >> the >> > > desire to acquire MORE, that >> > > > could come from a profitable business. So why >> take >> > > on the hassles of >> > > > business/enterprise? >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >From what I gather, Harvard is one of the few >> > > institutions that offer a >> > > > course >in entrepreneurship (and ethics) in >> their >> > > Business School. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > *** Perhaps Umesh will blaze a trail here. Or >> > > would he :-)? >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > c-da >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > At 9:35 AM -0500 9/26/06, Ram Sarangapani >> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > C'da, >> > > > >> > > > > Actually several years back I CHALLENGED >> another >> > > bunch of >such advisers >> > > > in Assam Net to describe HOW they would start. >> > > >There was NOT a single >> > > > reply . >> > > > >> > > > You are not suggesting that a vast majority of >> > > Kharkhowas are clueless >> > > > about starting a business, are you?, ie no >> > > entrepreneurial spirit - whether >> > > > they are in Assam or here? >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >Then I challenged a prakton-Ulfa, or SULFA, >> > > leader >> > > > > then doing doing business in Assam and who >> too >> > > were advising >others in >> > > > Assam Net to take up business ( obviously as >> an >> > > >antidote to insurgency), to >> > > > tell us how one might begin, how to get >> >capital >> > > if one did not have >> > > > collateral >> > > > >> > > > Now, of course didn't happen to ask any of our >> > > ulfa leaders too, did you? >> > > > They might be willing to divulge how to get >> > > capital without a collateral. I >> > > > hear they are pretty adept at it. :) >> > > > >> > > > > I have those exchanges in my archives. If >> > > someone would like to >read >> > > > them, let me know. >> > > > >> > > > Hehehe! that does it for me. I will try not to >> > > suggest any ideas for >> > > > entrepreneurship (at this time at least). >> > > > >> > > > A start though maybe to introduce a course in >> > > entrepreneurship >> > > > (specifically designed for the local market >> > > there). From what I gather, >> > > > Harvard is one of the few institutions that >> offer >> > > a course in >> > > > entrepreneurship (and ethics) in their >> Business >> > > School. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > --Ram >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On 9/26/06, Chan Mahanta >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > wrote: >> > > > > I have gotten used to the well-meaning >> advice >> > > and exhortations of our >> > > > > fellow kharkhowas about how to pull Assam >> out of >> > > its miseries by >> > > > > starting industries,by being entrepreneurs >> and >> > > so forth. I smile to >> > > > > myself, wondering why these advisers work >> for >> > > wages, mostly clerical >> > > > > work, far from home , in environments where > > it >> > > is far easier to >> > > > > become entrepreneurs . >> > > > > >> > > > > Something is patently contradictory here >> isn't >> > > it? >> > > > > >> > > > > I have pondered over it often. My guess, so >> far, >> > > is that, well >> > > > > meaning as they are, they have NO clue :-). >> > > > > >> > > > > Actually several years back I CHALLENGED > > another >> > > bunch of such >> > > > > advisers in Assam Net to describe HOW they >> would >> > > start. There was NOT >> > > > > a single reply. Then I challenged a >> > > prakton-Ulfa, or SULFA, leader >> > > > > then doing doing business in Assam and who >> too >> > > were advising others >> > > > > in Assam Net to take up business ( obviously >> as >> > > an antidote to >> > > > > insurgency), to tell us how one might begin, >> how >> > > to get capital if >> > > > > one did not have collateral, how to build a >> > > market, how to >> > > > > distribute, how to get an operating line of >> > > credit, so on and so >> > > > > forth. And last but not the least, how to >> make >> > > sure of getting paid >> > > > > for delivering goods or services, and if >> there >> > > is a contract default, >> > > > > how to go about resolving such a dispute, >> who to >> > > rely on? >> > > > > >> > > > > The silence was deafening. >> > > > > >> > > > > I have those exchanges in my archives. If >> > > someone would like to read >> > > > > them, let me know. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> > > > > assam mailing list >> > > > > assam@assamnet.org >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> >http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> > > assam mailing list >> > > assam@assamnet.org >> > > >> > >> >http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >> > > >> > >> > >> > Umesh Sharma >> > 5121 Lackawanna ST >> > College Park, MD 20740 USA >> > >> > Current temp. address: 5649 Yalta Place , >> Vancouver, Canada >> > >> > 1-202-215-4328 [Cell Phone] >> > Canada # (607) 221-9433 >> > >> > Ed.M. - International Education Policy >> > Harvard Graduate School of Education, >> > Harvard University, >> > Class of 2005 >> > >> > weblog: http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >___________________________________________________________ >> > Yahoo! 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