> No, Assam is one of so many states, and each of them have equal rights
with >the Center in these matters.
*** If so, WHY does Assam have to go BARGAIN?
>The Center itself is made up of the consituent states - it is NOT a
>Master-Slave relationship
*** Then WHY are those who oppose 'Asom' are crying on Dilli's doorsteps?
The answers are obvious: That desi-demokrasy is a farce, that the Center
wields all the real powers. People may not be very smart, but they can read
the tea-leaves and know who is in charge, in control.
At 8:52 AM -0600 12/18/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>*** Very faulty reasoning here. WHY should Assam have to go beg, plead,
bargfain or grovel for a FAIR share of what is THEIRS-->ALL of it--to begin
with?
Not really, C'da. Manoj used the term 'bargain' - ie. negotiate for better
deals. And since Assam is still within the Indian Union, most of us would
like to think these as negotiations with the Center (just like every other
state), as opposed to "begging".
Is Assam the ONLY state in the Union, and the rest are masters? No, Assam
is one of so many states, and each of them have equal rights with the Center
in these matters. The Center itself is made up of the consituent states - it
is NOT a Master-Slave relationship that you would like all of us to believe
so that more credence can be given to the drumbeats of independence and
autonomy.
--Ram
On 12/18/06,* Chan Mahanta* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> couldnot bargain on the share state should have got utilisation of
resources >like oil, coal and water.
*** Very faulty reasoning here. WHY should Assam have to go beg, plead,
bargfain or grovel for a FAIR share of what is THEIRS--ALL of it--to begin
with?
It is no different from Kharkhowas pleading with Dilli to not change the
name of their state to Asom.
At 11:18 AM +0530 12/18/06, Manoj Das wrote:
Hi dadas,
The case of Assam is like that of a cursed 'Hamuman' -who didnot know his
own strength. We are so careless that our political leaders couldnot bargain
on the share state should have got utilisation of resources like oil, coal
and water. Nagaland adn Arunachal are much smarter. Day before I attended a
workshop organised by Arunachal government on the development of 50000 mw of
hydropower in the state. The state is expecting to rake in about 10000 rs.
crore just from signing MOUs. It will also take part in equities through a
special dispensation from the Planning commission. Our leaders havenot
thought about bargaining the downstream rights of riparian states. 'sobei
nakot tel di shooi ase'. Arunachal Govt. is ready to talk to Assam on the
issue.
Just a point to ponder. Despite extracting oil/coal/tea from
the area upper Assam districts have lower per capita income than some other
lower Assam districts.The resources have not added to their wealth. And
look at this..Bhutan has now the highest percapita income in South
Asia..just on the strength of two power projects..Taal and Sukha..also built
on India's money. Only they knew how to bargain and negotiate.
"Jaa"...*
MKD
*Jai Ai Asom/Axom"
On 12/18/06,* Ram Sarangapani* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dear Barua,
>In case of Assam, they had to keep the people busy so that they donot
have time to >discuss what happened to Rs 15000 croes,
>Assamese intellectuals, the media and all are falling for it.
Actually, in the case of Assam, the people are either totally unaware
or just don't care of what happened to the Rs. 15000 crores, AND nor are
they (it seems so) upset or seem to care about the the name. (the Hobo Diok
kicking in)
The reason I am saying this is, I don't see any mass-scale opposition (or
for that matter support) for the name change. Where is the passion?
As far as the intellectuals, they are not falling for it, but it seems
they want to have a "say" whether its right or wrong. To be in the limelight
is nice. And as for the media, they just want to sensationalize something
where there is absolutely none. They too don't know which horse to back
these days.
--Ram
On 12/17/06,* Barua25* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>My feeling is that politicians and some "literary stalwarts" who have
little else to do, bring up non-issues like this from time to time. It seems
>like they just want to whip up some regional or linguistic frevor. Its all
hubris and rah-rah than anything else.
I will agree with that.
It is like re-arranging the furnitures in Titanic.
In case of Assam, they had to keep the people busy so that they donot have
time to discuss what happened to Rs 15000 croes,
Assamese intellectuals, the media and all are falling for it.
Barua
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* Rajen & Ajanta Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*Cc:* Dilip/Dil Deka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; ASSAMNET <assam@assamnet.org>
*Sent:* Sunday, December 17, 2006 10:44 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Assam] Chalo Delhi
Dear Barua,
My basic argument is that, even though it may make "sense" , why is that
when the names were originally accepted - ie: Bangalore or Madras or Baroda
or Assam, the people in those days accepted the names without any problem?
Why is this becoming a trend now? Were those early people just plain
stupid that they accepted whatever names were given? What has changed?
My feeling is that politicians and some "literary stalwarts" who have
little else to do, bring up non-issues like this from time to time. It seems
like they just want to whip up some regional or linguistic frevor. Its all
hubris and rah-rah than anything else.
As far as Assam is concerned, the ONUS should be on the people who are
hell-bent on changing the name to Asom. They should provide the logic and
reasoning why such a name change is not just necessay but also imperative
for Assam's survival. Why should there be a need by those who are satisfied
with continuance of the name "Assam" bring in historical or other relevance
so as to convince the Assam Govt. not to change.
--Ram
On 12/17/06,* Rajen & Ajanta Barua* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
Ramgopal:
If one looks at these name changes, all may make sense. In fact another
due change may be Baroda to Badodara.
But Assam to Asom does not make any sense at all. This is a classic
example of what we say in Assamese:
Dekhak dekhi kukurew pale ekadoxi.
or
Adak dekhi keturai bwle mwkw kha.
Barua
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* Dilip/Dil Deka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*Cc:* ASSAMNET <assam@assamnet.org>
*Sent:* Sunday, December 17, 2006 3:20 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Assam] Chalo Delhi
Whats the world coming to. Here is a news item from the TOI along some
more name changes. Looks like these politicians and others have little else
to do.
From the TOI:
BHOPAL: After Mumbai, Chennai, Kolkata, Thiruvananthapuram and Bengaluru,
the Jabalpur Municipal Corporation has passed a resolution to rename the
city to Jabalipuram.
The BJP-ruled Madhya Pradesh government is also mulling renaming Bhopal to
Bhojpal and Indore to Indur.
The resolution was passed in the Jabalpur Municipal Corporation meeting on
Saturday, both by BJP and Congress members. Corporators said the city was
being renamed after a sage in the 'Ramayana'. The resolution has been sent
to the state government.
According to some BJP members, every part of the country should be renamed
after carrying out historical analysis and research.
BJP leader Anil Dave told TOI, "Post Independence, we removed British
statues from the country. So why can't we remove the British names of our
cities?"
"It was a demand by the people of Jabalpur to name it after 'rishi' Jabali
who had his meditation camp here," Jabalpur mayor Sushila Singh said. "Let
us connect our city with the history and culture of our country. Jabalpur on
the banks of river Narmada is a sacred place of Hindu sages."
Congress corporator Jagat Bahadur Singh said, "Sadhus gathered in my ward
in Narsingh and proposed that the city be renamed after sage Jabali. This
was Congress agenda, not the BJP's."
Renaming Bhopal to Bhojpal (the city of king Bhoj) after Bhoj Deva - the
Paramara king who ruled the region from 1010 AD to 1055 AD and was a
soldier, builder, scholar and patron of learning - was BJP's agenda.
Bhoj Deva's position in history matched Vikramaditya Chandragupta II who
ruled from Ujjaini (now Ujjain).
The first attempt to connect Bhopal to Raja Bhoj was made in 2002 when the
name of the city's airport was changed to Raja Bhoj International Airport.
--Ram
On 12/17/06,* Dilip/Dil Deka* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
Here we go again. Not being able to solve it locally, Assam has to appeal
to Delhi to intervene.
It is intriguing that we do not know who is instigating this change. The
chief minister doesn't have the passion for the change. A large number of
community organizations don't want it. Then who does?
I am not commenting on the name itself but on the process. The lack of
will to handle local problems locally is a symptom of a deeper complex.
Dilip Deka
*Guwahati, Sunday, December 17, 2006*
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*'Asom' faces strong opposition
*By A Staff Reporter
GUWAHATI, Dec 16 - Though the State Assembly passed a resolution
yesterday on voice vote to replace 'Assam' with 'Asom' as per the February
27, 2006 decision of the State Cabinet, there prevails a strong opposition
to the decision. Opposition members like Leader of the Opposition Brindaban
Goswami, AGP's Anup Phukan and CPI's Drupad Bargohain were on their feet
yesterday demanding discussion on the resolution moved by Environment and
Forests Minister Rockybul Hussain on behalf of the State Government. But the
Speaker silenced them saying that the stage to initiate discussion on the
move was over.
After the session was over, Anup Phukan told newsmen that even Chief
Minister Gogoi was pronouncing the name of the State as 'Assam'. The Tai
Ahom organizations are opposed to the idea of replacing 'Assam' with 'Asom'.
The Government should have gone for a detailed discussion on the issue,
Phukan said.
Leader of the Opposition Brindaban Goswami said while speaking to this
newspaper today, that the Opposition members tried yesterday to initiate a
discussion on the issue. But they were denied any scope to that effect.
Elaborating, Goswami said, with several organizations and scholars
opposing the move to replace 'Assam' with 'Asom', a debate on the issue was
on. The Government also constituted an expert committee to examine the
issue. It was not clear as to whether the Government moved the resolution as
per the recommendation of the expert committee or following its discussion
with the organizations of the ethnic groups and the scholars, Goswami said.
Meanwhile, the Tai Ahom National Council, the apex body of the Tai Ahom
organizations, is preparing to move the court challenging the resolution.
The Council has also decided to convene a meeting of the Tai Ahom
organizations, the organizations of the ethnic groups like the
Koch-Rajbongshis, the Morans and Motoks, the Deuris, the Sonowal Kacharis
and the Chutiyas and the like-minded people who have been opposing the move
to effect a change in the spelling. The meeting is planned in the city in
the next week, said working president of the Council Dr Prabin Konwar here
today.
The Council, which has 12 Tai Ahom organizations as its affiliates,
submitted a memorandum to the State Government drawing its attention to the
historical documents, which suggest the existence of the name 'Assam' from
time immemorial, Dr Konwar said.
The Council also contended the argument that Bombay became Mumbai, Madras
became Chennai, Calcutta became Kolkata, Gauhati became Guwahati and
Sibsagar became Sivasagar recently and this should also apply to 'Assam' and
it should be replaced with 'Asom', saying that all those changes were
effected only to undo the wrong committed by the British colonial rulers.
But in the case of 'Assam', the council argued, long before the advent of
the British colonial rulers to this part of the country, Sihabuddin Talis,
who accompanied Mirjumla, described the State as 'Assam'. Even Srimanta
Sankaradeva described the State as Assam in the 14 th century AD, it argued
in its memorandum to the State Government submitted after the February 27
decision of the State Cabinet.
Dr Konwar said that despite large-scale opposition to the Cabinet
decision, the Government led by Tarun Gogoi stuck to the decision
mysteriously failing to honour the sentiments of the indigenous people.
The Council has also decided to send memorandums to the President, Prime
Minister and the Ministry's concerned and all the MPs from the NE region to
veto the State Assembly resolution, Dr Konwar said.
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