DD: What you are forgetting is this - not
everyone in Assam agrees with ULFA --
*** No I did not forget that. That is why I wrote:
"There are those of us who are not handicapped by
such a mindset, will continue to speak up for
Assam's rights."
And we shall.
incessant insult of the clueless (in your words)
*** And I stand by the characterization, because
it was unequivocally demonstrated in the posts
concerned.
Perhaps DD will tell us WHY they are NOT
'clueless'? That would PROVE the point.
*** Just because a lot of people say something,
does not make it right. A bunch of fools saying a
bunch of foolish things do not automatically
become cleansed by the NUMBERS.
If ULFA wants the support of the rational people
of Assam, let ULFA state >clearly in detail what
its " modern, truly democratic state with a rule
of law" >is and How " the right to have full
control over its resources" will be >utilized to
make everyone's life better in Assam.
*** Those were MY words. If DD wants ULFA's
responses, he ought to address ULFA and ask them
that question. *I* ,Chandan Mahanta, do not speak
for ULFA. But I do have reasons to believe that
those are ideals ULFA does harbor.
Now on a side note, if DD seeks such assurances
from ULFA, he might write to them. But an
ordinary observer could surmise that DD's
willingness to give ULFA that support,regardless
of ULFA's plans for Assam, in view of DD's
decades of expressions regarding ULFA, would be
suspect :-). Thus a serious response from ULFA to
his request may or may not be forthcoming is how
*I* would see it. But things do change. If were
in DD's shoes, and did have a change of heart, I
might try it. Nothing to lose.
*** But considering the responses to my posts on
reforming Assam governance from those netters
who have been involved in trashing ULFA all these
years, amounting to nothing more than "WE DON't
WANT" such reforms, because Oxomiyas are unable
to deliver or they are no different from what
exists today or impractical due to possible
boundary disputes or other FEEBLE excuses, does
not
make DD's claim here very believable.
But *I* am always open for any chance of progress. So good luck!
*** Finally, I ask DD too: WHY should those of
who have every confidence , not only on
ourselves, but on the people of Assam to be able
to deliver on a reformed system, as good as the
best in the world, advocate ULFA's surrender and
advise Assam to accept and be happy with what has
NOT worked for sixty plus years of Indian
misrule, as even MOST thoughtful Indian
commentators would readily agree ?
cm
At 7:37 AM -0700 5/16/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
From below - " Just like you all, I too want the
conflict to end. But not on YOUR ( by this I
include all of you who have vented your clueless
frustrations ) terms, a surrender to Indian
interests. I would like to see ULFA obtain for
Assam the rights to re-form its governance to a
modern, truly democratic state with a rule of
law and the right to have full control over its
resources."
DD: What you are forgetting is this - not
everyone in Assam agrees with ULFA and its
violence for sovereignty, just like not everyone
in this net agrees with you and your incessant
insult of the clueless (in your words) . It is
wrong for ULFA to assume that ULFA is the voice
of Assam, just as it is wrong for you to assume
that anyone who does not agree with you is
clueless.
If ULFA wants the support of the rational people
of Assam, let ULFA state clearly in detail what
its " modern, truly democratic state with a rule
of law" is and How " the right to have full
control over its resources" will be utilized to
make everyone's life better in Assam.
Everyone has his own idea of an ideal state. We
all would like to hear what the dreamers in
Dhaka have to say on the two subjects above. If
there is someone among the netters who is in the
know, he is welcome to step in and provide the
details.
Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Good to hear from you Chitta.
We ask QUESTIONS in a debate like this to prove
or disprove a point, or to help lead someone to
a find an answer or a solution.
JS's post supposedly was about "End this disease called ULFA"
Fine! He had two prescriptions:
A: Wipe out ULFA militarily.
B: Send ULFA sympathizers to prison.
Do YOU , as a mature and informed adult, able to
reason; believe those recommendations would
bring about the results of his or your or Ram's
or all the others' ( who have chimed in with an
array of responses and posed questions of yours
truly) desires ?
If not, what are your recommendations? What do
YOU bring to the table? How do you see it
resolved?
All those questions you all pose at me, designed
to make ULFA look like a bunch of thugs and
rogues , not to mention traitors to your
Indian-ness defined by a Hinduttwa inspired
animus towards Pakistan or even B'Desh , while
congratulating each other on your intellectual
marksmanship with the perception that you had me
on the ropes, mean:
* That you all are frustrated and at
wit's end on how to end the conflict.
* ULFA maybe all things you attempt to
portray them as, and even worse, but HOW
does that solve the problem?
* If you are trying to convince me or
Mukul Mahanta that ULFA is what YOU all portray
them as and convert us to your
side to badger ULFA or make them look bad in
the internet, it still would not solve the problem, would it?
* Taunting is something indulged in by
children and immature adults, when they are
unable
to get their way with an
adversary. Do you think ULFA will keel over or
disappear
because of such taunting or from
the barrage of insults that you all heap on
them?
It is an abject display of
clueless-ness, that's all. Don't you think it is
unseemly?
Just like you all, I too want the conflict to
end. But not on YOUR ( by this I include all of
you who have vented your clueless frustrations )
terms, a surrender to Indian interests. I would
like to see ULFA obtain for Assam the rights to
re-form its governance to a modern, truly
democratic state with a rule of law and the
right to have full control over its resources.
Those of you who are satisfied with your vision
of an Assam as an Indian colony to be exploited
by outsiders with a few in Assam sharing in the
loot, as things are today, that is your burden.
There are those of us who are not handicapped by
such a mindset, will continue to speak up for
Assam's rights.
Take care.
m-da
At 2:45 AM -0700 5/16/07, chittaranjan pathak wrote:
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Mahanta da Salute
Jyatirmay posed some questions-:
>- Why do they reside in a foreign country, the
population of which is creating economic and
social disorder in our state?
>- Why don't they fight the Indian Army but
hide in their holes when confronted? Why do
human rights become a big issue when their
members are killed and not when innocents are
getting maimed and killed by their bomb attacks
at public places?
>- Why do they plant bombs in public places and kill innocent people?
>- They seek whereabouts of missing ULFA
members, what about all the people they have
killed. Are they going to give the reasons?
You first did your patented qualitative analysis
of these questions to classify them as dumb,
dumber and dumbest. But let me assure you, many
people in Assam are asking these seemingly dumb
questions. While trying to work out intelligent
responses to these dumb questions, you came out
with not dumb; but some very disgusting
explanations. And in the process you:
Justified ULFAs extortion as a form of TAXATION
Endorsed the hobnobbing with ISI and BDesh Jehadis as a STRATEGIC ALLAINCE
Defended the killing of children and civilians
as a modus operandi of the CONFLICT.
Can we go back to your intelligent responses to
these dumb questions one by one?
TAXATION
Try explaining this taxation scheme to those
belonging to the samples I have given below. I
am just limiting to few-with little effort I can
post to you some copies of extortion notices
(sorry tax advices) also.
1) This guy from humble background from
Abhayapuri by grace of reservation/education in
an engineering college gets a job in Public
sector (OIL-Duliajan). Settles down, gets
married and commits his first mistake of family
life-taking an easy PSU provided loan buys a
brand new Maruti 800 (it was late eighties). The
happiness was short lived-the new car was
whisked away never to be seen again for
Xongothon activities. Served him right for being
materialistic!!
2) Try explaining this taxation to tea
tribes who have to resort to strike every year
for timely payment of few thousands of rupees as
Puja bonus where as their employers have to pay
millions of rupees to these outfits. By the way
as you can see-the polarization is complete now.
These guys will rip you apart if you talk of
independence and taxation. There is no
solidarity-leave alone on the ULFA front but
also on the army atrocities on innocent people
as long as people dying are from the other side
of the fence.
3) Or to the GMC trained Assamese
government doctor posted in Diphu donating part
of his monthly salary to UPDS coffer.
4) Or to this Assamese teacher in NC Hills
(few of the last remaining breed-will be forced
to rush to plain as soon as Dimaraji is claimed)
who is visited by Hindi speaking DHD cadres
every month.
5) Or to those contractors who still dare
to do some theeka thukali in Bodoland.
By the way is there any rare instance of this
taxed money being used for a purpose like
monetary help to those innocent people killed by
armed forces in the name of ULFA hunting? Do you
know of any instances?
STRATEGIC ALLINACE
Mahanta da you gave a good justification why
some of the ULFA leaders are holed up in BDesh.
Strategic reason-good reasoning! Ram da
unnecessarily lambasted you on this. Can I ask
you a personal question?
How far will you go on endorsing such spineless
strategic alliance where the voice of the
protagonist gets muffled by those pulling the
strings? And if tomorrow they take this
BDesh/ISI aided anti-India stance to extreme and
declare that they would like to see Assam as an
independent IRA (Islamic Republic of Assam)
asking a segment of squabbling people forgo
their religious independence for the sake of
national independence of Assam. Will you still
support them and endorse this as a strategic
shift. Or you have set some limit up to which
you will go on supporting ULFAs strategic
alliance and then no further.
No it is not a trap question for you. May be
your personal response will give us an
indication of importance the proponents place on
various binding identities on which they seek to
hold together the people in an independent
nation.
On my part personally I would welcome such
declaration like IRA-it will at least remove
some ambiguity about what kind of nation ULFA
wants. Secular is no different from what we have
now. BDesh sheltered and ISI supported (no first
hand info-just what I read from newspaper) ULFA
can not afford to declare Assam as a Hindu
nation. And as it stands Islam is the most
widely practiced religion in Assam if you place
it against the fragmented composite Hinduism
practiced in Assam. From what I sense from your
posts, religion is not much of an issue for some
of the broad minded people. Can we do away with
this Assamese language bit also and adopt an
international language like Bengali or English?
I will wait for your response on this.
CONFLICT
Your explanation of violent CONFLICT was
amusing. 18 year old boy strapping bomb on
motorbike to kill himself (accidentally-no
official ULFA human bomb till now) and a sixty
year old is your idea of conflict. And who are
the victims of this VIOLENT CONFLICT? The
children of Dhemaji and Tinsukiya Bihari!!. We
dare not go near Indian army, so lets kill the
poor laborers is that the logic of this violent
CONFLICT ULFA is waging?
Lastly I will just touch two of your points
***But, I have often said that if the ulfa or
some other group was really, really fighting for
a cause, and with all sincerity, I would be the
first one to at least give them the respect they
deserve (even if I do not agree with their
cause).
Mahanta da-respect , agreement, disagreement pisor kotha.
What is the cause-independent Assam? Have they
shown sincerity to the cause by removing the
abstractness around the geographical limit of
the entity they are fighting for? Have they
shown the sincerity to the cause by spelling out
how their independent Asom fits in with Bodoland
and Kamatapur of their teen patti mates of
Bhutan camps (KLO and NDFB)? Have they shown
their guts by saying any thing on issues like
Bangladeshi infiltration, balkanization of Assam
in the name of territorial councils, or
humiliation of Assamese national institution
like AXX in Brahmaputa valley itself? Or we
should believe that ULFA will spell out its
policies on all these after the independence is
gained. And till then we should give the respect
they deserve for the cause they are fighting??
But given their martyrdom to surrender ratio,
what is the guarantee that those who are waging
this so called struggle will not make a perfect
Volta face tomorrow?
*** Surely YOUR support or for that matter of
others in your camp is NOT what ULFA has been
surviving all these decades. Obviously it is
from the support of those who you do not see or
prefer not to recognize when you see them. Thus
your definition of ULFA's
'sincerity' is quite irrelevant to the
resolution of the conflict. IF you and others
are SEEKING a resolution to the conflict, then
the question would be WHAT are you contributing
to its resolution?
Why Mahanta Da can I ask? Just because Ram da
and his camp members are net savvy you feel they
would be far removed from ground realities of
Assam. If you half Ram das age-may be you will
have thousands who have access to net who are
based outside Assam but whose parents ,
brothers, cousins are based in Assam. The guy
may be in Delhi but his brother may be a
sympathizer or victim of ULFA. JB college/JEC
trained, OIL mentored guy may be in Doha earning
in dollars (and reading assamnet post during
lunch breaks), but his parents in Sivsagar may
be paying the extortion amount (luxury tax as
you may like to say).
Things have really changed. Cyber connectivity
does not mean loss of connectivity from Assam.
And for recent immigrants like us-ami jihetu
puliye pukhai utha di aha nai-what we think is
not necessarily what we see or surf but what our
friends and relatives and cousins are undergoing
in Assam.
But things are different for people like you who
seem to be living in a time wrap. I dont blame
you. You left Assam when Bihu ,Durga Puja and
Tithis were the only occasions celebrated in
Assam. By the time we left in late
nineties-Baisagu, Chilaria Divx, Me-dam-me-phi,
Ali-ai ligang were the in things.
And now the latest-have you heard what they call -Besama?
Reply dibo dei!!!!
Regards
Chittaranjan Pathak
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