> >**** I thought SAT, GRE, GMAT, USMLE all are US tests ... so your education system also depends on tests.
*** Yes, they do depend on them , to a degree. You don't get to go to to topmost schools on the basis of SAT or GRE scores alone. There again are nuances. Most big name schools would consider a LDC student, even if she can't quite measure up to the standards their US counterparts to get in. That is how many Indian students get in to Harvard, MIT, etc. , even though they might not quite measure up to the other intangibles that they weigh as predictors of a likelihood for success. So, unlike Indian dedication to ' testocracy' ( you heard it here first ) as the most sophisticated tool as a predictor of success, the US system has other tools they use. However I won't hold that against you. One has to learn somewhere. I did too. **** But creativity is NOT an essential item in these calculations. Because society does require skilled grunts as well. Reliable number crunchers, accurate paper-pushers, shrewd manipulators -- all have a place in society; any society. But those societies who have shined, moved ahead in the world also had those creative thinkers and doers in their midst who could think outside the box as the cliche' goes and break new ground, without which you get what India is. While the jury is still out as to how creativity can be inculcated, there are widely accepted means out there, producing results. And math. tables are not it. > Inspite of your citing numerous wiki sites (BTW *** Was I wrong in decrying Wiki being accepted as the authority? What is your opinion? And if I was NOT wrong, can I still be right with relying on easily verifiable info available there? Those appear contradictory only to the simple minded. I would have hoped you are a cut above. >you could not explain HOW Indians come up in flying colours under >YOUR education system or WHY >youreducation system DOES NOT test >for creativity *** First off, it is NOT my education system. But it is a far far better one than the Indian one in many aspects. Education has many aspects, as ought to be clear to the educated. There are some aspects in which SOME Indian institutions do quite well. Math for example. But math excellence is not the be-all and end all of education. Nor is Physics or Chemistry or Stats or what have you. Indian institutions do produce reliable workers. But show us a few that helped change India's conditions with their creativity or their ingenuity. >BTW, I have earlier cited Indian innovations which you probably >could not comprehend .... *** How about an encore to enlighten an English language challenged fellow kharkhowa? I must have missed it, if not failed to comprehend its complexities. At 10:09 AM -0700 8/25/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty wrote: > > *** That would be the response of someone who cannot > > IMAGINE anything >> beyond 'teaching and testing'. > >**** I thought SAT, GRE, GMAT, USMLE all are US tests >... so your education system also depends on tests. >And what they test for ? To check how good a person >can rote? And a person who shines in these tests (has >exceptional rote memory) goes to the best Schools. > >>>>Desi-teaching is entirely devoid of introducing the >creative process: Of analyzing, hypothesizing, finding >solutions different from the expected or the given. > >***** Inspite of your citing numerous wiki sites (BTW >was it you who decried wiki a couple of days back ?) >you could not explain HOW Indians come up in flying >colours under YOUR education system or WHY your >education system DOES NOT test for creativity. > >As usual, you are twisting, drifting away from >original question. > >BTW, I have earlier cited Indian innovations which >you probably could not comprehend .... damned English >:) > >>They can do great >> math, > >Was it you who said that Indian Math foundation is >weak ?? > >--- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> At 9:34 AM -0700 8/25/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty >> wrote: >> >hmmm... I am missing something .... >> > >> >so in your ideal education system you teach >> something >> >and test for something else ? >> >> >> >> >> *** That would be the response of someone who cannot >> IMAGINE anything >> beyond 'teaching and testing'. >> >> Goes to prove my point again and again. >> >> Desi-teaching is entirely devoid of introducing the >> creative process: >> Of analyzing, hypothesizing, finding solutions >> different from the >> expected or the given. >> >> It has become a cultural marker. They can do great >> math, play >> walking encyclopedias , be great spelling bees, do >> complex >> engineering computations. But look at India's >> innovations , >> creativity. There is nothing to show for , even with >> all that >> brain-power crunching numbers or writing complex >> codes. >> >> Why? >> >> Your arguments are perfect illustrations. >> >> >> Now try this too: >> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creativity#History_of_the_term_and_the_concept >> >> >> >**************************************************************************************************************** >> >> >> Fostering creativity >> Main article: creativity techniques >> Daniel Pink, in his 2005 book A Whole New Mind, >> repeating arguments >> posed throughout the 20th century, argues that we >> are entering a new >> age where creativity is becoming increasingly >> important. In this >> conceptual age, we will need to foster and encourage >> right-directed >> thinking (representing creativity and emotion) over >> left-directed >> thinking (representing logical, analytical thought). >> Nickerson[50] provides a summary of the various >> creativity techniques >> that have been proposed. These include approaches >> that have been >> developed by both academia and industry: >> 1. Establishing purpose and intention >> 2. Building basic skills >> 3. Encouraging acquisitions of domain-specific >> knowledge >> 4. Stimulating and rewarding curiosity and >> exploration >> 5. Building motivation, especially internal >> motivation >> 6. Encouraging confidence and a willingness to take >> risks >> 7. Focusing on mastery and self-competition >> 8. Promoting supportable beliefs about creativity >> 9. Providing opportunities for choice and discovery >> 10. Developing self-management (metacognitive >> skills) >> 11. Teaching techniques and strategies for >> facilitating >> creative performance >> 12. Providing balance >> Some see the conventional system of schooling as >> "stifling" of >> creativity and attempt (particularly in the >> pre-school/kindergarten >> and early school years) to provide a >> creativity-friendly, rich, >> imagination-fostering environment for young >> children. Compare Waldorf >> School. >> A growing number of psychologists are supporting the >> idea that there >> are methods of increasing the creativity of an >> individual. Several >> different researchers have proposed approaches to >> prop up this idea, >> ranging from psychological-cognitive, such as: >> * Osborn-Parnes Creative problem solving >> * Synectics; >> * Purdue Creative Thinking Program; >> and >> * lateral thinking (courtesy of Edward de Bono), >> to the highly-structured, such as: >> * TRIZ (the Theory of Inventive Problem-Solving); >> * ARIZ (the Algorithm of Inventive >> Problem-Solving), >> both developed by the Russian scientist Genrich >> Altshuller; and >> * Computer-Aided Morphological analysis (presented >> at >> Swedish Morphological Society). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >You mean your education teaches you to be CREATIVE >> and >> >not rote but your exams require you to rote and not >> >creative >> > >> >How Creative :) >> > >> > >> >--- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> >> > >There have been earlier instances too ... >> like >> >> your >> >> >failure to explain HOW a uncreative product of >> >> Indian >> >> >Education system clears the exams of Creative >> land >> >> --- >> >> >SAT, GMAT, GRE etc >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *** I knew it! Had to be this damned English >> >> language. >> >> >> >> Exam writing skills are not a measure of >> creative > > >> potentials. You >> >> need to understand the meaning of "creative". >> Look >> >> up a dictionary. >> >> >> >> Try this: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creativity >> > > >> >> If it still does not help, I will try , in >> Bangla if >> >> I have to :-). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Actually, we are used to your style of >> avoiding >> >> >unpleasant questions on one pretext or the >> other :) >> >> > >> >> >As I said, never mind and sorry for making you >> >> >uncomfortable with these questions. >> >> > >> >> >There have been earlier instances too ... like >> your >> >> >failure to explain HOW a uncreative product of >> >> Indian >> >> >Education system clears the exams of Creative >> land >> >> --- >> >> >SAT, GMAT, GRE etc >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >--- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> >these are indeed very uncomfortable >> questions. >> >> >> >> >> >> *** I understand . 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