So, if we return to, the case of Vedanta Mines , the people who lost their land and livelihoods should have taken it in their stride, emulating your example, of not purchasing a gun even after being robbed in Paris, never mind that at last , THIS robbery was held to be illegal, primarily because of ARMED REVOLT by Naxals, right? What was so hard about following your example here, is that the morale of the story?
On Aug 16, 2010, at 10:35 PM, Dilip Deka wrote: > THERE IS NO NEED OF VIOLENCE TO RESOLVE PROBLEMS, WHETHER IT IS PERSONAL OR > BROADER IN NATURE. > VIOLENCE ONLY ESCALATES. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Chan Mahanta <cmaha...@gmail.com> > To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world > <assam@assamnet.org> > Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 10:27:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green > panel > >> I was robbed in Paris but still haven't bought a gun. > > *** That must be because you are a special person, one that others should > emulate. You have upheld the highest of human values. > > Not to devalue your highly evolved status, but it does not quite compare > with, > say the people who did not receive compensation for property stolen from them > by > corporate interests, sanctioned and approved by desi-demokrasy, to come to > light > for 23 years, much less YET compensated. Or the news I posted minutes > earlier. > Or Assam's existence being noticed. > > I know, everyone ought to emulate your aversion to violence. But somehow, > somehow, the examples don't seem equivalent. What do you think? Is it just MY > > propensity for violence that I am making up these unbecoming arguments, or > could there just might be a lesson to learn, a reality to acknowledge? > > > > > On Aug 16, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Dilip Deka wrote: > >> More intelligent question would be why do civilians need guns even in a >> democracy like USA to do the same? I am all in favor of banning guns for >> civilians in USA. >> Are you an NRA member? >> I was robbed in Paris but still haven't bought a gun. >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Chan Mahanta <cmaha...@gmail.com> >> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world >> <assam@assamnet.org> >> Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 9:59:49 PM >> Subject: Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: >> Green >> panel >> >> >> Depends on how badly one is affected, robbed ? >> >> But the intelligent question should have been: WHY do Indians , in their >> DEMOCRATIC country, have to take to guns, before their grievances see the >> light >> >> of day, much less a fair and timely resolution? >> >> >> Or is that too complicated? >> >> >> >> On Aug 16, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Dilip Deka wrote: >> >>> Guns make a difference anywhere in the world. Doe it mean every civilian >>> must > >>> have a gun to make a point? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Chan Mahanta <cmaha...@gmail.com> >>> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world >>> <assam@assamnet.org> >>> Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 9:50:19 PM >>> Subject: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green >> panel >>> >>> So it proves one thing LOUD and CLEAR: That unless you take up arms to >>> defend >> >> >>> your rights in India, nothing happens. Desi demokrasy is all but impotent >>> to >>> guarantee the rights of people. But when they take up arms, Dilli does >>> notice, >>> >>> don't they? Except that some of our kharkhowa ex-pats still can't fathom >>> it. I >>> >>> >>> wonder WHY these were NOT illegal so far? Naxalism does make the difference >>> for >>> >>> >>> the people after all. >>> >>> cm >>> >>> >>> Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel >>> >>> Read more: Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel - India >>> Business - Business - The Times of India >>> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Vedanta-mines-illegal-must-be-shut-down-Green-panel/articleshow/6321872.cms#ixzz0wpMAIbWX >>> X >>> X >>> >>> >>> >>> NEW DELHI: >>> Mining giant Vedanta consistently violated several laws in bauxite mining >>> at >>> Niyamgiri, encroached upon government land, got clearances on the basis >>> of >>> false information and illegally built its aluminium refinery at Lanjigarh, >>> Orissa. As the company engaged in these violations, the Orissa government >>> colluded with it and the Centre turned a blind eye. , These are some of the >>> findings of the four-member N C Saxena committee, which on Monday >>> recommended >> >> >>> that the company not be allowed to mine in the hills that are the abode of >>> the >> >> >>> Dongaria Kondh and Kutia Kondh tribes in Orissa. , The no-holds-barred >>> indictment of the state and private sector in the $1.7billion project >>> brings >>> out >>> >>> the short shrift given to concerns about tribal rights and environmental >>> protection. It is significant also because it underlines the changed >>> sensibilities of the government towards the issues against the backdrop of >>> Left-wing extremism and why Naxalites are finding it easy to influence >>> alienated >>> >>> tribal belts. , The stern report of the environment and forests ministry >>> panel >> >> >>> signalled that tribal rights and environmental isssues have finally muscled >>> their way onto the governance agenda, forcing the authorities to take >>> action > >>> against corporates who may have shown disregard for rules. The Saxena >>> committee >>> >>> >>> report, which could lead to shutting down of the Vedanta smelters in >>> Orissa, >> >> >>> comes after the MoEF moved to stop or stall several high-profile, >>> heavy-investment projects, including the Posco Integrated Steel project in >>> Orissa, which, at Rs 56, 000 crore is the single-largest foreign direct >>> investment in India, the Jindal thermal power plant in Chhattisgarh (Rs >>> 10,000 >>> >>> >>> crore), hydroelectric projects on Bhagirathi in Uttarakhand and the Navi >>> Mumbai >>> >>> airport in Maharashtra (Rs 7,972 crore). , The panel was set up by the >>> ministry >>> >>> >>> of environment and forests to investigate if the state government and the >>> aluminium giant had complied with the Forest Rights Act and Forest >>> Conservation >>> >>> >>> Act while mining for bauxite. , The report reveals exhaustive evidence to >>> nail >> >> >>> the complicity of the state government in permitting Vedanta to flagrantly >>> violate the laws. , But the committee, even as it recommended that the >>> mining >> >> >>> project be disallowed, stopped short of asking for prosecution of the >>> officials >>> >>> involved in what seems to be a blatant fraud that went unchecked for years. >>> , > >>> "The question of whom to prosecute is secondary. First, we have to consider >>> the >>> >>> >>> clearance," said Union minister for enviroment and forests Jairam Ramesh. >>> Asked >>> >>> >>> if the violations could be set right now, the minister said, "Without >>> prejudice to the existing case, it would be a tragedy that one violates >>> laws >>> and >>> >>> still has a window of opportunity to just pay a penalty and get away with >>> it >>> later." , The report will now be reviewed by the statutory Forest Advisory >>> Committee, which will then give its recommendations to the ministry to >>> take a >> >> >>> final call on the forest clearance. , The report says, "This committee is >>> of > >>> the firm view that allowing mining in the proposed mining lease area by >>> depriving two primitive tribal groups of their rights over the proposed >>> mining >> >> >>> area in order to benefit a private company would shake the faith of tribal >>> people in the laws of the land which may have serious consequences for the >>> security and well-being of the entire country." , The report records how >>> the >>> state government falsified documents and concealed information from the >>> central >>> >>> >>> government to facilitate the aluminium refinery in mining bauxite while the >>> company encroached upon government and tribal lands with impunity. , The >>> aluminium czar Anil Aggarwal's company has illegally -- despite legal >>> notices > >>> from the Orissa State Pollution Control Board -- begun building a refinery >>> to > >>> produce 6 million tonnes of aluminium per annum instead of the 1 million >>> tonnes >>> >>> >>> per annum plant that it had got the green clearance for. , The committee -- >>> that >>> >>> included S Parasuraman, director of Tata Institute of Social Sciences; >>> Promode >>> >>> >>> Kant, retired forest official; and Amita Baviskar, professor at the >>> Institute >>> >>> >>> of Economic Growth -- pointed out how right from the beginning, the firm >>> had > >>> furnished falsified reports to the Centre to seek clearance, and how the >>> state >>> >>> >>> officials ranging from the highest bureaucrats to the collectors of two >>> districts either refused to enforce existing laws or simply colluded with >>> the > >>> company to deny the tribals right over their lands., Read more: Vedanta >>> mines > >>> illegal, must be shut down: Green panel - India Business - Business - The >>> Times >>> >>> of India >>> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Vedanta-mines-illegal-must-be-shut-down-Green-panel/articleshow/6321872.cms#ixzz0wpLtMGod >>> d >>> d >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> assam mailing list >>> assam@assamnet.org >>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> assam mailing list >>> assam@assamnet.org >>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> assam mailing list >> assam@assamnet.org >> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >> _______________________________________________ >> assam mailing list >> assam@assamnet.org >> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > > _______________________________________________ > assam mailing list > assam@assamnet.org > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > _______________________________________________ > assam mailing list > assam@assamnet.org > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org _______________________________________________ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
