You are taking the issue too literally Dhruba. The point should have been the totally incomparable examples, held up to be similar by Dilip. The scale, the circumstances are impossibly different. One does not even come close to the other.
Dilip got robbed in Paris, while vacationing. Did he lose his house? His employment, his livelihood? Does this continue to happen to him, unabated? The people in Orissa (?) who lost their land and their livelihoods, never received compensation ( just came to light , 23 yrs. later, but no guarantee of yet receiving any). Having had no relief from the institutions of their state that some continue to wave as 'democratic' , so must be benevolent, just, timely and all things holy, they took to arms, placing their lives on the line. Now compare the two: Dilip's hardships in his Parisian vacation, and Dantewada's indigenous people who lived off their land from time immemorial, losinit to corporate greed of Vedanta. Dilip was right about not having purchased a gun to defend his property. That is because he HAS his government provide that service. If someone attempted to take a piece of his property , he can go to to the court, and he could get a decision in his life-time, actually much shorter, probably within a year. Compare that to the 23 years it took in Dantewada (?) just to be noticed by the high-court, finally. Did they get help from the police? From civil authorities? Heck NO! So do the two compare? Should Dilip have even attempted that to draw the conclusion he did? Does it look nice :-)? You know the answer. On Aug 17, 2010, at 3:52 AM, Dhruba Jyoti Deka wrote: > >> I was robbed in Paris but still haven't bought a gun. > > > > Hieun Chang was robbed when he was backing from Kamrup to his place. After > being robbed he was empty with his everything, and sitting on a stone he was > thinking about his mistake. He saw a monkey was fighting with a tiger to save > her childs, and after few minutes the monkey was able to recover from the > tiger. Mr Chang realised, if he could also fight such. Then he went his > place, he thinking about the monkey's fight against the tiger. Reaching his > place, he inventend the martial art and named it Kung Fu. Untill Bruce Lee's > movie Kung was not so popular beyond China region. But now it is world's most > popular martial art. This is the history of invention of Kung Fu. > > > > Did you learn Kung Fu? If not why you do not buy a gun? > > > > You must have learn something after being robbed. > > > >> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:12:49 -0700 >> From: dilipd...@yahoo.com >> To: assam@assamnet.org >> Subject: Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: >> Green panel >> >> More intelligent question would be why do civilians need guns even in a >> democracy like USA to do the same? I am all in favor of banning guns for >> civilians in USA. >> Are you an NRA member? >> I was robbed in Paris but still haven't bought a gun. >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Chan Mahanta <cmaha...@gmail.com> >> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world >> <assam@assamnet.org> >> Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 9:59:49 PM >> Subject: Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: >> Green >> panel >> >> >> Depends on how badly one is affected, robbed ? >> >> But the intelligent question should have been: WHY do Indians , in their >> DEMOCRATIC country, have to take to guns, before their grievances see the >> light >> of day, much less a fair and timely resolution? >> >> >> Or is that too complicated? >> >> >> >> On Aug 16, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Dilip Deka wrote: >> >>> Guns make a difference anywhere in the world. Doe it mean every civilian >>> must >>> have a gun to make a point? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Chan Mahanta <cmaha...@gmail.com> >>> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world >>> <assam@assamnet.org> >>> Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 9:50:19 PM >>> Subject: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green >> panel >>> >>> So it proves one thing LOUD and CLEAR: That unless you take up arms to >>> defend >> >>> your rights in India, nothing happens. Desi demokrasy is all but impotent >>> to >>> guarantee the rights of people. But when they take up arms, Dilli does >>> notice, >>> >>> don't they? Except that some of our kharkhowa ex-pats still can't fathom >>> it. I >>> >>> wonder WHY these were NOT illegal so far? Naxalism does make the difference >>> for >>> >>> the people after all. >>> >>> cm >>> >>> >>> Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel >>> >>> Read more: Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel - India >>> Business - Business - The Times of India >>> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Vedanta-mines-illegal-must-be-shut-down-Green-panel/articleshow/6321872.cms#ixzz0wpMAIbWX >>> X >>> >>> >>> >>> NEW DELHI: >>> Mining giant Vedanta consistently violated several laws in bauxite mining >>> at >>> Niyamgiri, encroached upon government land, got clearances on the basis >>> of >>> false information and illegally built its aluminium refinery at Lanjigarh, >>> Orissa. As the company engaged in these violations, the Orissa government >>> colluded with it and the Centre turned a blind eye. , These are some of the >>> findings of the four-member N C Saxena committee, which on Monday >>> recommended >> >>> that the company not be allowed to mine in the hills that are the abode of >>> the >> >>> Dongaria Kondh and Kutia Kondh tribes in Orissa. , The no-holds-barred >>> indictment of the state and private sector in the $1.7billion project >>> brings >>> out >>> >>> the short shrift given to concerns about tribal rights and environmental >>> protection. It is significant also because it underlines the changed >>> sensibilities of the government towards the issues against the backdrop of >>> Left-wing extremism and why Naxalites are finding it easy to influence >>> alienated >>> >>> tribal belts. , The stern report of the environment and forests ministry >>> panel >> >>> signalled that tribal rights and environmental isssues have finally muscled >>> their way onto the governance agenda, forcing the authorities to take >>> action >>> against corporates who may have shown disregard for rules. The Saxena >>> committee >>> >>> report, which could lead to shutting down of the Vedanta smelters in >>> Orissa, >> >>> comes after the MoEF moved to stop or stall several high-profile, >>> heavy-investment projects, including the Posco Integrated Steel project in >>> Orissa, which, at Rs 56, 000 crore is the single-largest foreign direct >>> investment in India, the Jindal thermal power plant in Chhattisgarh (Rs >>> 10,000 >>> >>> crore), hydroelectric projects on Bhagirathi in Uttarakhand and the Navi >>> Mumbai >>> >>> airport in Maharashtra (Rs 7,972 crore). , The panel was set up by the >>> ministry >>> >>> of environment and forests to investigate if the state government and the >>> aluminium giant had complied with the Forest Rights Act and Forest >>> Conservation >>> >>> Act while mining for bauxite. , The report reveals exhaustive evidence to >>> nail >> >>> the complicity of the state government in permitting Vedanta to flagrantly >>> violate the laws. , But the committee, even as it recommended that the >>> mining >> >>> project be disallowed, stopped short of asking for prosecution of the >>> officials >>> >>> involved in what seems to be a blatant fraud that went unchecked for years. >>> , >>> "The question of whom to prosecute is secondary. First, we have to consider >>> the >>> >>> clearance," said Union minister for enviroment and forests Jairam Ramesh. >>> Asked >>> >>> if the violations could be set right now, the minister said, "Without >>> prejudice to the existing case, it would be a tragedy that one violates >>> laws >>> and >>> >>> still has a window of opportunity to just pay a penalty and get away with >>> it >>> later." , The report will now be reviewed by the statutory Forest Advisory >>> Committee, which will then give its recommendations to the ministry to >>> take a >> >>> final call on the forest clearance. , The report says, "This committee is >>> of >>> the firm view that allowing mining in the proposed mining lease area by >>> depriving two primitive tribal groups of their rights over the proposed >>> mining >> >>> area in order to benefit a private company would shake the faith of tribal >>> people in the laws of the land which may have serious consequences for the >>> security and well-being of the entire country." , The report records how >>> the >>> state government falsified documents and concealed information from the >>> central >>> >>> government to facilitate the aluminium refinery in mining bauxite while the >>> company encroached upon government and tribal lands with impunity. , The >>> aluminium czar Anil Aggarwal's company has illegally -- despite legal >>> notices >>> from the Orissa State Pollution Control Board -- begun building a refinery >>> to >>> produce 6 million tonnes of aluminium per annum instead of the 1 million >>> tonnes >>> >>> per annum plant that it had got the green clearance for. , The committee -- >>> that >>> >>> included S Parasuraman, director of Tata Institute of Social Sciences; >>> Promode >>> >>> Kant, retired forest official; and Amita Baviskar, professor at the >>> Institute >>> >>> of Economic Growth -- pointed out how right from the beginning, the firm >>> had >>> furnished falsified reports to the Centre to seek clearance, and how the >>> state >>> >>> officials ranging from the highest bureaucrats to the collectors of two >>> districts either refused to enforce existing laws or simply colluded with >>> the >>> company to deny the tribals right over their lands., Read more: Vedanta >>> mines >>> illegal, must be shut down: Green panel - India Business - Business - The >>> Times >>> >>> of India >>> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Vedanta-mines-illegal-must-be-shut-down-Green-panel/articleshow/6321872.cms#ixzz0wpLtMGod >>> d >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> assam mailing list >>> assam@assamnet.org >>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> assam mailing list >>> assam@assamnet.org >>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> assam mailing list >> assam@assamnet.org >> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >> _______________________________________________ >> assam mailing list >> assam@assamnet.org >> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > _______________________________________________ > assam mailing list > assam@assamnet.org > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org _______________________________________________ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
